Angry .Orgers

[eXtremeTim]

Originally Posted by insane-topics

Then why not (if so many who make paid add ons want the section) make the section 'lite' products, this way those who go to them know before hand they are not the full script , you have people seeing your product. And at the same time helping the community with the lite product.

It is a win/win, everyone gets what they want. If someone wants the full product your promotion is right there, your getting customers and paid from the support you give for your lite product, vb.org is getting resources (payment) for the promoting of your script you wish to sell.

First some things you cant make a lite version of. I have a few hacks already that I have looked for a way to make a lite verion of but I just cant becuase to make a like version I still have to give away the heart of it. Which is the valuable part.

[davidw]

Originally Posted by eXtremeTim

I will agree but I feel that we should have a forum where we can link people to them and maybe give a short description even if people cant reply to the threads or anything.

Ahem-I was thinking along those lines... lol

[totenmaske]

Originally Posted by eXtremeTim

I will agree but I feel that we should have a forum where we can link people to them and maybe give a short description even if people cant reply to the threads or anything.

And I would agree...but not here at vBorg. I'd be appreciative of a centralized resource with ready access to paid mods and paid coders but think it should be a seperate entity. I'd even be willing to help support such an endeavor but when approaching such a concept of supporting a seperate site you actually vindicate The Geek's position as the supporters of such a project would have to worry about a vB license, domain name, server space, bandwidth, associated expenses not to mention the most basic of questions...would anyone use the site? (I wonder what the odds are of getting a discount on a vB license for such a project).

[The Geek]

insane - its becoming more common to find paid vb add ons not because anyone sees dollar signs in their eyes, but because its impossible for many to continue to provide high quality work and support for free. In some cases it actually stifles further development and cause excellent coders to simply say 'cant be asked'.

What gets my goat is the cynical attitude that some users have here when 'commercial' is mentioned (almost always seems to be from those that have 0 to maybe 2 tiny releases here). These guys seem to think there is a bunch of greedy business men salivating for the chance to advertise on .org so they can go buy a new yacht. I can tell you now: There is not a lot of money in selling commercial scripts for vBulletin (maybe unless you are charging over $100 for them and selling them out the wazoo).

As far as the 'to post a commercial hack, you must do a LITE one'. Thats going to be impossible to fulfill. Its not win/win for everyone. Its win/win for those that don't have to write 2 versions of a script for those that will pay and then those that wont. Supporting 2 versions of the same script is even MORE of a nightmare (as I am quickly finding out) and as was previously mentioned - some stuff just doesn't scale to a LITE version.

In my opinion it doesn't make much sense to have 1 site for commercial addons and one for the hobbyists. This is supposed to be the ultimate vb resource, setting up a separate sight for fear that no one will make free add ons anymore is paranoid and defeats the purpose of having a resource center for owners of vBulletin. Heck, there will always be free options. In fact I just stumbled across a couple sites giving away my stuff for free (woot! I'm in the big time now! I'm being pirated!).

[eXtremeTim]

Originally Posted by The Geek

insane - its becoming more common to find paid vb add ons not because anyone sees dollar signs in their eyes, but because its impossible for many to continue to provide high quality work and support for free. In some cases it actually stifles further development and cause excellent coders to simply say 'cant be asked'.

What gets my goat is the cynical attitude that some users have here when 'commercial' is mentioned (almost always seems to be from those that have 0 to maybe 2 tiny releases here). These guys seem to think there is a bunch of greedy business men salivating for the chance to advertise on .org so they can go buy a new yacht. I can tell you now: There is not a lot of money in selling commercial scripts for vBulletin (maybe unless you are charging over $100 for them and selling them out the wazoo).

As far as the 'to post a commercial hack, you must do a LITE one'. Thats going to be impossible to fulfill. Its not win/win for everyone. Its win/win for those that don't have to write 2 versions of a script for those that will pay and then those that wont. Supporting 2 versions of the same script is even MORE of a nightmare (as I am quickly finding out) and as was previously mentioned - some stuff just doesn't scale to a LITE version.

In my opinion it doesn't make much sense to have 1 site for commercial addons and one for the hobbyists. This is supposed to be the ultimate vb resource, setting up a separate sight for fear that no one will make free add ons anymore is paranoid and defeats the purpose of having a resource center for owners of vBulletin. Heck, there will always be free options. In fact I just stumbled across a couple sites giving away my stuff for free (woot! I'm in the big time now! I'm being pirated!).

Join the club. I have been being pirated since my 3.0.x days.

with the few hacks that I released commercially on it.

Its kinda makes you know your makings somethign worth having but is also disheartning to see what your losing from it.

Same as when I put a copyright tag and a link in my hacks and come across sites using my free stuff and have remove the copyright tags.

That really gets me ticked. They cant even leave a simple credit line for a free modification.

[vBintense]

True it will be a headache but why give ‘free’ promotion for a ‘paid’ script, yes your making money off of your hard work (as you have the right too never would I say you don’t). But the same product you believe needs pay, it becomes a business / customer based.

This is going to bring many who wish to promote their scripts and bring nothing to the table in return, why should .org do something to help the few and not the community? Remember this is about the community, not the handful who wish to sell a product.

So there should be something in it for the community if people so wish to promote on these forums, it is compromise.

[eXtremeTim]

Originally Posted by insane-topics

True it will be a headache but why give ?free? promotion for a ?paid? script, yes your making money off of your hard work (as you have the right too never would I say you don?t). But the same product you believe needs pay, it becomes a business / customer based.

This is going to bring many who wish to promote their scripts and bring nothing to the table in return, why should .org do something to help the few and not the community? Remember this is about the community, not the handful who wish to sell a product.

So there should be something in it for the community if people so wish to promote on these forums, it is compromise.

First off the products help the community becuase it gives them even more features to offer. Second off selling my pay addons helps support my free addons.

[The Geek]

Also - this is only part of a community because people who require a charge for their time do not have much of a voice here. This is a resource site for vb customers. Im a vb customer and my customers are all vb customers. Instead of gripping on to the past with white knuckles for fear of change, maybe it would be worth a go? It could be just what .org needs. I know as a user for Free and paid add ons (as well as an author for both) it would be refreshing to have a site to find what you are looking for which is often simply not done when its a commercial free zone

[MR-2ZZ]

I think that free is good... but I am always willing to donate.

At the same time Ive downloaded hacks and used them for a week, then got rid of them. Now it may become more of a money pit.

[Lea Verou]

Personally I would really like to see a concentrated resource of paid mods, even if it's in a separate site or not. I know that most times when I pay for a hack it's a quality one and has good support. I have paid for vbadvanced gallery, vbadvanced links and vbadvanced CMPS branding free and haven't regretted for one minute.
I, however get really angry when I see a supposedly free hack that is at paid beta for ages and the free release date is constantly postponed for months and months... If the coder can't release it for free then make it paid and stop the fault promises! It would be more honest!