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#31
11-08-2005, 12:11 PM
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I have no problem with people changing their minds about hacks being paid after releasing them for free. The level of support required here can be overwhelming. I have tried checking the beta box, unchecking the supported box, putting things in my sig line and explaining about time limitations till I'm blue in the face. I'm still nagged daily on the board and via PM for added features and help when users foul things up. Heck, they even bug me to support hacks I didn't write and don't even use!
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#32
11-08-2005, 12:37 PM
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Spot on Amy.
I understand why it would be frustrating for some to install a hack that was put here FOC and then down the road the author decides that if you want further updates or releases - it will cost you. However life has a funny way of doing things like this to you. You can release something FOC and suddenly it takes over your freaking life. Sure, you want to continue work on it - but you get stuck as all your current time is spent slammed with support requests from people who couldn't be asked to follow the readme or who want help fixing someone else's work! If you have more than a couple popular hacks here on .org - you will find yourself in a free, part time support job. That means little to NO time to develop new, bigger, better additions which in turn equals serious burn out! Thats the key reason I went commercial. I had no time left to develop future additions AND support them for the masses of casual admins. Now I have less users in a more controlled environment that allows me to support and develop without getting an aneurysm doing it. As for the price of stuff like vbSEO, I totally understand why some would object. However its all relative isn't it? If it really was too much then price would come down to where the market would support it. Or more inexpensive solutions would come onto the market. Me? I agree its expensive - however it is still an acceptable investment for what I get out of it so I bought it. I was the same with PhotoPost (which was around the same price). While PP is a great product, I eventually went to vBa as it suited my needs better and cost less. Its kind of ironic considering vB is the most expensive forum in its class.Llike going to a phpBB forum and seeing people flabbergasted about vb's price. Its all relative. I love .org and miss the buzz of releasing work here. What I don't miss is the angry .orgers and the occasional user that treats you like he owns you because he installed your hack that you spent 3 months working on, released to the community FOC while he invested 2 seconds of his time (and would of halved that if he would have read the instructions  )
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#33
11-08-2005, 12:44 PM
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Here are some ideas...
Keep vborg free -  - and their code as well and create a vbnet or something to the like with commercial products whom wish to profit from their coding. In this case, for those who wish for free hacks, go to one site, those who wish for "premium" hacks, go to another. That way, everyone is happy - heck, share the same database so that users from one can post and reply on the other and vice versa - no "new accounts." :PAnd - give people the right to make their own versions (possibly released under the GNU/GPL?) of the premium hacks - then again, you get what you pay for - and if it's free - well. You also have the option for level of support - those who choose to pay get a better support than those who choose the free version. I made very little as a coder for phpnuke but I enjoyed making things work - and others happy. It took me the better part of 6 months to figure out how the nuke code worked in order to start with my hacks. I'm on month two with vbulletin code and I'm not doing too bad :P - I'm just now starting to understand how plugins work. But one thing I have noticed is that in one instance where two similar hacks (using plugins were used) one prevented the other from working. That's an issue that could probably be addressed by creating more hooks. But who am I - just a newb LOL! Edit: Of course, you may want to get permission from whomever if you want to create a knock-off free version
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#34
11-08-2005, 01:08 PM
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WHAT ?!
again, this useless debate? damn, i thought i've fixed this earlier this year.. looks like The Geek wants me to come back and slap his little pink butt... ok, i let the Boofo guy take over.. lol |
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#35
11-08-2005, 01:21 PM
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#36
11-08-2005, 02:58 PM
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Probably the only time in history that I am actually rooting for da man in a thread.
vborg is a free site where peeps can come to make their site better. You come on here making the end users of hacks look like bad people, when in all actuality it is people that seek money over the internet for forum hacks that are really bad. Most board owners, the ones you dismiss as a mob, are good and decent people, trying to attract members to their forum. I have not seen one forum yet where you have to pay to be a member. In most cases, board owners are barely scraping by, such as the ones who do not use google ads and other such advertising and who rely on donations are in this "mob" you speak of. vborg hosts some talent coders. They contribute a lot of their time and energy, to be sure. I as a board owner understand and respect these coders, even if I do not say it other than today. If you are a coder here, thank you thank you thank you. Some here donate money to these coders. That is the way that it has always been. You have made many unsupported scenarios. Here's another. I am a board owner. If I have to pay for hack, I will do without the hack. I will open up my site to free coders and provide hacks to the people who want them. I will strongly support donations to these coders, but charge no one. I am done being pissed off now now thanks to some lovely vodka. Goes back to the mob. "Ah brothers and sisters, I did but fight the good fight for us..." |
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#37
11-08-2005, 02:59 PM
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------------------------------------- As far as the original post, if anyone is attacked on this site because they offer commercial scripts in their signature or a previously free script is now commercial, the people doing the attacking should be banned per the forum rules. This would include through PMs and the forums Send Email functionality. Quote:
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#38
11-08-2005, 03:01 PM
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11-08-2005, 03:03 PM
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11-08-2005, 03:05 PM
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ok, I understand some of your points, but I do not understand the problem. You have released some hacks. They are good hacks, I agree. However, if you are having all these problems, you can always igonore those that you did not create. Am I the only one that has "igonore user"? Quote:
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