Angry .Orgers

[yinyang]

damn, vbulletin.biz is taken otherwise The Geek would hav a new venture...

[The Geek]

Thanks Danny,

I didnt mean for this to be about me. I just got a little pissed off when I saw a bunch of users demanding that an author (cant even remember who it was) release his hack FOC. Apparently he decided to charge for it after a lot of development. Then I was catching up on the vbseo thread (say no more!). Then I read some other thread when I just thought 'geez, there are a lot of people around here that expect a lot of work from a lot of people without having to lift a finger.'.

Now, In all fairness, I did not read every post of the first 2 threads so maybe I got a little bothered over nothing... however in my experience around here I think I most likely got the right gist of it.

Though I dont agree that .org should have no mention of anything commercial, its not my site and I support the rules and guidelines. However you have to agree that its a bit of a stretch to call this the ultimate vb resource when it excludes everything except the hobbyist and casual coder. I think its more of a hinderence to Jelsoft to not be able to refer any professionals that buy their product to anywhere except for here. I dont mean any disrespect (ive got loads of stuff here) its just that it can be somewhat of a muddle for people to get exactly what their after and always trust what they are getting. But I degress! Those are just my personal thoughts and not really too relevant to my point.

I just wanted to say 'hey guys, be a little more respectful of those giving their time for nothing and support them in their decisions if they cant continue doing it for the smile it puts on your face'. I for one wish I could continue putting my stuff up for free as I miss the buzz. Heck, I had even asked Erwin at one stage if I could put GARS up here FOC with a preference that support requests were handled on my site because its a nightmare supporting large mods here. Because that goes against rules - I got a big ol No. However now Im actualy quite pleased that it wasnt Ok'ed. I think I would have given up on it with the current 'something for nothing and your chicks for free' mentality.

whew. Think Im over the babbling. I think my points been lost! Anyhooo - just respect the coders!

Thanks all!

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Danny.VBT

I think we are all taking this way to heavily. If a coder decides to offer hacks, wheather it's commercial or not, it is still benefiting vBulletin as a software. vB.org, however, is not the place to distribute commercial modifications; it's that simple. I don't know why this is causing so much debate. If you don't feel like a hack should cost money, then the only option is to code an equal or better modification for free.

The Geek, you are an excellant coder and I appreciate your work on vbulletin. I've used a couple of your paid modifications, and they are great tools.

The Geek should not be judged for making a decision on his code. If he feels like he should be earning money for his hard work, that's his choice.


That's just my personal opinion.

The Geek has not been judged at all in this thread. In fact, he is the one that started it.

Originally Posted by Boofo

The Geek has not been judged at all in this thread. In fact, he is the one that started it.

I know, but some people had issues in other threads..

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Danny.VBT

I know, but some people had issues in other threads..

Which have nothing to do with this thread.

Originally Posted by Boofo

Which have nothing to do with this thread.

The issues dealt with commercial hacks which ties in this thread. I don't want to start a silly argument with you Boofo.

But The Geek stated he didn't mean for this thread to be about him, so you win this time.

[Talisman]

I know this is a very touchy subject and quite a few people get riled up ... on both sides of the issue. I'd just like to say that most people I know who charge fees for premium styles or hacks *also* contribute or have contributed a very high volume of free advice and support assistance to others here and in other support forums. So they're not ALL evil... lol. And when they charge a small price for us to use an elaborate modification they developed, then I don't mind paying something for all that time and work. I just get real selective about what I'm willing to pay for. When you total up all the expenses it takes to create and sustain the sort of websites we like to have, it adds up to quite a whopping investment.

Even so, there is one thing that bothers me a great deal. And that's when new coders come along ... learn everything they can from very generous people who've shared their knowledge and expertise with others -- for free -- ... but then they won't give anything back to this community unless they can make money from it. That's just not right and that really hurts everyone. Whenever someone benefits directly from experienced volunteers, they really ought to repay that generousity, in kind. Not to the people they learned from, though... but by continuing the cycle and helping to train/develop a new "generation" of coders who are starting out the exact same way.

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Talisman

Even so, there is one thing that bothers me a great deal. And that's when new coders come along ... learn everything they can from very generous people who've shared their knowledge and expertise with others -- for free -- ... but then they won't give anything back to this community unless they can make money from it. That's just not right and that really hurts everyone. Whenever someone benefits directly from experienced volunteers, they really ought to repay that generousity, in kind. Not to the people they learned from, though... but by continuing the cycle and helping to train/develop a new "generation" of coders who are starting out the exact same way.

And those are the bad apples that have spoiled it for people like The Geek.

[Detomah]

I have a really simple idiology about programming.

If I need a program or piece of code for my site that is beyond my own skill level and someone can provide it, i'll use it. If it's good enough and suits my needs well enough, i'll pay for it.

When I have a bit of code that i've done, I throw it into the community in a hope that someone else can make use of it, my coding aint great but it gets me by and sometimes it's the basic stuff that catches other people out too, so giving my little snippets where I can is my way of returning the favour.

The problem I have, is that I find that when it comes to spending my valuble time helping others in any way I can for free, when it comes to me asking for a bit of help from anyone else for something i've got stuck with, most people simply ignore the request like it is some serious disease, or they damand cash.

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Danny.VBT

I don't want to start a silly argument with you Boofo.

Like you would have a chance of winning one.

But The Geek stated he didn't mean for this thread to be about him, so you win this time.

Naturally. That's the way it is supposed to be.