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[Marco van Herwaarden]

Just 2 things:
- The possible maximum at this time of bio-gasoline is not even 0.01 percent of the needs.
- Do any of you know what people in Europe pay (and not just now, but already a very long time) for their gasoline?

PS If any thread again turns into personal slanders or political statements, i will not hesitate to close it on first sight.

[smacklan]

Originally Posted by filburt1

OK, this is getting ridiculous:

• It was a natural disaster, thus caused by no individual, political party, group, or nation
• People were told to leave the area
• Many people had no means of leaving the area
• New Orleans was not so intelligently founded by locating it below sea level, thus making it so vulnerable to storm surge
• A person is smart. People are stupid and this is where the looting and eventual "shoot to kill" order for looters came from.

I can't comment on the political state of the recovery because I haven't been closely following the situation (news is so ridiculously infused with bias and emotion instead of factual information that I don't bother anymore) and I do not debate politics online.

I agree with all of your statements filburt1. My statement regarding the welfare class didn't include the criminal class, of which New Orleans is inundated with (highest murder rate in the country). The welfare class (for the most part) is a whole generation of people who don't work, don't want to work and are perfectly happy to let someone else take care of them (we the taxpayers) and have very little sense of self-responsiblity. Welfare was designed as assistance, but too many in this country suck it for all it's worth and it does a great disservice to this country.

[yoyoyoyo]

Originally Posted by Biker_GA

While bio diesel burns cleaner, the total energy cost to create it is higher.

That depends on the source of the fuel. Currently Biodiesel is selling for .50 a gallon cheaper around here than diesel (and that is for B20). B100 is going for a bit more, but runs better.

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

Just 2 things:
- The possible maximum at this time of bio-gasoline is not even 0.01 percent of the needs.

The main reason for that is because the oil companies have kept it that way. In just a few years, with the proper incentives that could turn around dramatically.

Originally Posted by filburt1

Does it burn (or whatever) cleaner than gasoline, or at the least, clean enough to meet EPA regulations? Is it a powerful enough substitute for gasoline?

That's the problem with current gasoline alternatives (not counting hybrids) such as pure electrics, natural gas, or hydrogen: there is no infrastructure set up. It's a deadlock situation, because there's no incentive to set up the infrastructure because nobody owns the cars because there's no infrastructure.

Yes- it burns CLEANER than regular diesel. Bio-diesel smells like french fries when it is burning. You can DRINK bio-diesel, with no bad effects. You can toss an open flame in it and it won't burn. Currently The US govt. is giving blenders a $1 per gallon incentinve to produce Bio-Diesel (effective 1/01/2006) so expect to start seeing more of it in your future. Regular diesel cars can run on biodiesel with no conversion needed.

When Rudolf Diesel first invented the diesel engine he intended it to be run on any type of fuel, in fact it was first developed to run on coal dust, which was in abundance at that time. It was intended to help farmers and people in remote areas who didn't have access to fuel,. Add lye to any oil (such as pig renderings or peanut oil), let the chemical reaction take place, and then remove the lye and voila- diesel fuel. Diesel originally thought that the diesel engine, (readily adaptable in size and utilizing locally available fuels like vegetable oil) would enable independent craftsmen, artisans, farmers and small industry to endure the powered competition of larger industries that then virtually monopolized the predominant power source-the oversized, expensive, fuel-wasting steam engine.

Diesel fuel does not need and is not dependent on dino-fuel.

But- there is no need for me to go on talking about it when you can read all about it at the National Bio-Diesel Board.

[filburt1]

Diesel fuel ignites through compression in the cylinders, yes? Hence why there are no spark plugs?

No matter what the fuel, the fundamental attitude many Americans have must change to stop being dependent on gasoline. That is the one true thing holding back the country from switching to less expensive, cleaner, less politically motivated fuels given gasoline of one kind or another has been used for over a hundred years.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by Loki12

There is no news report to back up this claim? They really invited people to come and pick up their free TV's, Sony Playstations and Grand Theft Auto games?

I'm not calling you a liar - I don't know you personally. But I also can't take everything you say as gospel truth. That would be naive.

There is no news to back this up because that would be good news, the media doesn't like good news.

They want death and destruction.

[yoyoyoyo]

Originally Posted by filburt1

Diesel fuel ignites through compression in the cylinders, yes? Hence why there are no spark plugs?

No matter what the fuel, the fundamental attitude many Americans have must change to stop being dependent on gasoline. That is the one true thing holding back the country from switching to less expensive, cleaner, less politically motivated fuels given gasoline of one kind or another has been used for over a hundred years.

Diesel engines rely on COMPRESSION to ignite the fuel, so no spark plugs are needed. Rudolf Diesel discovered that intense compression would cause even vegetable oil to ignite. It is silly to use petroleum based products for diesel - the only reason that they do is due to the intense oil lobby. Before the oil fields were discovered (the big oil boom) biodiesel was the direction of the future, and it still is.

I agree that we need to rely less on any type of fuel - the need for oil is spiraling out of control but in the meantime biodiesel is one of our biggest salvations. But- don't expect to see too much of it until the big oil companies can dump their petroleum based fuel reserves. The oil that they are pumping out of the ground now is literally the dredges of the oil supply. We have used up an incredible amount of the earths resources in an amazingly short amount of time.

Biodiesel is less toxic than table salt and biodegrades as fast as sugar. Most new Diesel cars and trucks can run on B100. If I were buying a new car/truck I would definitely look at a diesel for that very reason, especially if B20 or B50, or B100 is already available in your area (as it is here).

[Revan]

Originally Posted by MarcoH64

- Do any of you know what people in Europe pay (and not just now, but already a very long time) for their gasoline?

Norway is the country in all of the Western world making the most money on oil, and we pay 11 NOK a gallon for our gasoline. To compare, US citizens pay 4 NOK a gallon (last I heard). 1 NOK is approx 6 USD.

[BamaStangGuy]

I pay 3.27 a gallon USD

[SomeName]

yoyoyoyo,

I sincerely hope that your family members and loved ones in the area are safe.

[FightRice.com]

Originally Posted by Revan

Norway is the country in all of the Western world making the most money on oil, and we pay 11 NOK a gallon for our gasoline. To compare, US citizens pay 4 NOK a gallon (last I heard). 1 NOK is approx 6 USD.

Don't most those countries have MASS transist systems in place though that is cheaper people can take, unlike america's infrastructure which is horrible and lacking the mass transportation in most areas?