not happy with vbulletin.org support

[Rahstyles]

Originally Posted by kh99

Didn't have to be there, I just had to read your earlier posts.

If you not compuNerd enough to... un..de..errs..tand my.. punc..hl..i..nes..... then thats cool.. I appreciate it.. but .... get off my jock... NO ****... :down:

--------------- Added 21 Jun 2011 at 12:37 am ---------------

Originally Posted by snoopytas

Interesting thread. Here are some of my thoughts.

I've recently put up a few mods that I thought might of generic use.

Our site has some paid for mods (VaultWiki, Photopost Gallery, vBA CMPS, and some skins);
plus a few vb.org mods (that are all marked installed, for which we are grateful);
plus some home grown mods, some of which are very specific and won't be released,
and some I have released.

I'm not that interested in $$ for what we have released.
I would want $$ for the photographic competition system IF the end user used it on a paid forum.
This however it is a niche market product. (~12,000 lines of code)

BTW our site is free, and we give out ~$5,000 in prizes each year via sponsors and revenue
from our shop and advertising - not bad for free membership :up:

Also: $50 an hour for a experienced developer is good value
My day job is an IT Project Manager/Systems Architect for a large rail infrastructure company.

The real issue is people expecting pro level support for voluntary work
all I can say to the complainers is grow up!!
Treat the free/voluntary developers and their mods with the respect they deserve!

Actually do the same for the paid mods!
Why? Because you will get better support by being nice than banging you hands on the table.
Work with the support people if you have an issue - provide concise relevant information
when you have a problem or feature request.
Politeness goes a looooooong way!
Same goes with dealing with IB/vB.com

If it's a paid mod, then sure I expect it to be supported and I find that to be the case and I can
express my needs and I get listened to - by being polite and helpful.

So in summary, be polite, work with developers, and be grateful. It makes everyone's life better.

Kym

Yea i understand you.. but what if polite doesnt work? If your too polite to sombody then people will think your a pushover.. Man.. I guess.. its just areas where i grew up... people dont take shyt from nobody around here.. and if u show your weakness.. then thats when your gonna get taken advantage.. off.. people around here know that ..you get respect then u give respect... Seriously.. I wish i grew up in your beverly hills neighbor hood..were everybody is nice.. and is a pushover..around here in socal highschools.. we got a New York State of Mind.. we dont take ish from nobody... not even the principle.. Well smack that niccorette if we have too..

[Brandon Sheley]

Originally Posted by Rahstyles2008

No seriously... Code is a code.. theres no quality of a code .. .. seriously thats dumb dude..

I i write <img> and then sombody pays you 50$ to write <img> its the same thing..

sorry but this line made me think of CFH

[Rahstyles]

Originally Posted by Brandon Sheley

sorry but this line made me think of CFH

Its all good my niclet

[BirdOPrey5]

Originally Posted by Rahstyles2008

If you not compuNerd enough to... un..de..errs..tand my.. punc..hl..i..nes..... then thats cool.. I appreciate it.. but .... get off my jock... NO ****... :down:

--------------- Added 21 Jun 2011 at 12:37 am ---------------



Yea i understand you.. but what if polite doesnt work? If your too polite to sombody then people will think your a pushover.. Man.. I guess.. its just areas where i grew up... people dont take shyt from nobody around here.. and if u show your weakness.. then thats when your gonna get taken advantage.. off.. people around here know that ..you get respect then u give respect... Seriously.. I wish i grew up in your beverly hills neighbor hood..were everybody is nice.. and is a pushover..around here in socal highschools.. we got a New York State of Mind.. we dont take ish from nobody... not even the principle.. Well smack that niccorette if we have too..

I grew up in Canarsie, Brooklyn. You have to have learned at some point the rules on the 'street' do not apply to the rest of the real world. It is much more treat others as you want to be treated than dog-eat-dog, especially on a site like this.

[Rahstyles]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

I grew up in Canarsie, Brooklyn. You have to have learned at some point the rules on the 'street' do not apply to the rest of the real world. It is much more treat others as you want to be treated than dog-eat-dog, especially on a site like this.

Word. Respects to you my NY fam

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Rahstyles2008

Its all good my niclet

What is a "niclet"?

[Adrian Schneider]

I think Eric is dead on. If you don't value their work, then you don't know value when you see it. You're likely paying for absolute shit, that opens doors for hackers and other problems.

Just because something works, does not mean it works well. Is it portable? Does it still work when you upgrade (vBulletin, php, mysql, etc.) Does it scale to hundreds of users? thousands? millions?

Consider this - programming literally takes years to get good at. Some people spend decades doing it. Programming is one of the rare professions where if you are good at it, you can do things much faster than those who aren't. Sometimes it's 2-3x faster, sometimes it's 20-30x faster. Sometimes it is 1000x faster.

You may pay someone $10/hr for a month, when it might take me 2 hours at my ridiculously high rate (not really). Would you pay my rate up front? Probably not. It probably will be cheaper though, not even taking into account maintenance, bugs, etc.

There is so much that you do not understand unless you are a programmer, or work with programmers often. You're going in blind.

I guess arrogance is bliss.

[Rahstyles]

Originally Posted by Adrian Schneider

I think Eric is dead on. If you don't value their work, then you don't know value when you see it. You're likely paying for absolute shit, that opens doors for hackers and other problems.

Just because something works, does not mean it works well. Is it portable? Does it still work when you upgrade (vBulletin, php, mysql, etc.) Does it scale to hundreds of users? thousands? millions?

Consider this - programming literally takes years to get good at. Some people spend decades doing it. Programming is one of the rare professions where if you are good at it, you can do things much faster than those who aren't. Sometimes it's 2-3x faster, sometimes it's 20-30x faster. Sometimes it is 1000x faster.

You may pay someone $10/hr for a month, when it might take me 2 hours at my ridiculously high rate (not really). Would you pay my rate up front? Probably not. It probably will be cheaper though, not even taking into account maintenance, bugs, etc.

There is so much that you do not understand unless you are a programmer, or work with programmers often. You're going in blind.

I guess arrogance is bliss.

Dude momatter who does the work.. its gonna have problems.. but thats not the intall problem.. its the mod problem

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Originally Posted by Boofo

What is a "niclet"?

Dont play son... YOu know what that means

[Adrian Schneider]

The better the programmer, the less problems.

(I heard of a programmer who released software with no bugs, though it's just a legend)

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Rahstyles2008

Dont play son... YOu know what that means

First, I've got socks older than you, so please refrain from calling me "son". Second, if I knew what it meant, I wouldn't have asked, now would I?