not happy with vbulletin.org support

[BirdOPrey5]

Originally Posted by Rahstyles2008

No seriously... Code is a code.. theres no quality of a code .. .. seriously thats dumb dude..

ORLY? Code is code?

Do you like not being hacked because of exploits in code due to poor or lazy coding? Because maybe spending that extra $25 or $40 an hour upfront will prevent you from needing to hire someone to save your hacked site later on- not to mention a potential stolen database from which you can never really recover.

Coding is worth what someone is willing to pay- the free market system is in effect here. If a coder's prices are too high they will get little to no business. A coder that charges lower rates will often get more business. Assuming equal quality (which isn't usually true) it's up to the coder to find a "sweet spot" on the supply/demand graph. They can charge $100 and get one coding job per week or they can charge $1 and get 100 coding jobs a week- in the end they both make the same money but the guy who charges $100 still comes up ahead because he only used a fraction of the time the other guy did.

Another reality- Coding/programming and other technical things are SKILLED LABOR. Your waiter job or whatever else that is paying you "tips" is NOT skilled labor. Now yes, I know some waiters who are great at their job and I could never do it as good as they do but the fact is they are only bringing food to the table- anyone could do it. Not anyone can code. If you don't like the prices people are charging, then learn coding. If it's that easy start releasing your own mods and build up your own client base offering a flat $4 fee.

[Paul M]

I suggest some members take a chill pill, trolling, baiting and insulting are not permitted.

[Rahstyles]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

ORLY? Code is code?

Do you like not being hacked because of exploits in code due to poor or lazy coding? Because maybe spending that extra $25 or $40 an hour upfront will prevent you from needing to hire someone to save your hacked site later on- not to mention a potential stolen database from which you can never really recover.

Coding is worth what someone is willing to pay- the free market system is in effect here. If a coder's prices are too high they will get little to no business. A coder that charges lower rates will often get more business. Assuming equal quality (which isn't usually true) it's up to the coder to find a "sweet spot" on the supply/demand graph. They can charge $100 and get one coding job per week or they can charge $1 and get 100 coding jobs a week- in the end they both make the same money but the guy who charges $100 still comes up ahead because he only used a fraction of the time the other guy did.

Another reality- Coding/programming and other technical things are SKILLED LABOR. Your waiter job or whatever else that is paying you "tips" is NOT skilled labor. Now yes, I know some waiters who are great at their job and I could never do it as good as they do but the fact is they are only bringing food to the table- anyone could do it. Not anyone can code. If you don't like the prices people are charging, then learn coding. If it's that easy start releasing your own mods and build up your own client base offering a flat $4 fee.

"Coding is worth what someone is willing to pay- the free market system is in effect here. If a coder's prices are too high they will get little to no business. A coder that charges lower rates will often get more business."


^^ thank you.. thats all i wanted to hear... that means u agree with me..

And im not a server.. Im a slot technician.. and yes that does take skills to do.. its not somthing everyone and there dads can do right off the bat.. YOu have to learn it and we take tests every week..

Just like coding u.. gotta learn it..

But i for one am not getting paid 50$ an hour.. or even close to that.. which I doubt Sombody installing mods getting paid $50 an hour is rediculous.. I hope some people can agree with me on that..


BTW ignoring people show ur weak and plus its easy to gang up on sombody in a thread. Funny i bet non of you people in here can argue with me one on one. Only reason you even spoke ur mind to me is because u read this thread and u had back up of sombody already attacking me. You aint no mature person your all (for those who attacked me) are as immature as me.. but with no comback..

I mean you got to admit.. some of those lines i spoke off where pretty funny...

I know this because i used to freestyle battle people at lunch back in highschool.. I got some pretty good punchlines.. I know this because people.. repeated my line and said that was dope after the battles

[Felixbone]

code is code and there's no quality of code, lol, it seems like you don't know anything about what's going on here.

an example for you:

a template made with dreamweaver, drag and drop. used a lot of tables.
a template made by hand-coded, css and xhtml valid. tabless.

both template looks the same, and what's the different then, answer yourself!

a mod for display statistic of your forum that require a lot of querry, slow down your server.
a mod for display statistic of your forum that require less querry, fast, ajax powered.

what's the different?

Apple can keep the price lower for Iphone and Ipad so it can bring them much more customers but the truth that their prices always at top of the market. Please explain me why they should do it?

The answer that it's not only about the quality of works but also the brand of the product.

Note that we have proof that all materials requires to made a complete apple product is xx times cheaper than the price of the product itself.

[kh99]

People do make $50 or even $100 per hour for coding, but probably not for vb mods (or at least not many).

Originally Posted by Rahstyles2008

I got some pretty good punchlines.. I know this because people.. repeated my line and said that was dope after the battles

Maybe you misheard them.

[CK]

Originally Posted by Boofo

Don't worry, Mike. You are still on my Christmas card list.

If I buy you some knickers will you send me to your list?

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Wow I've just read through the rest of this thread ++++ me, what is going on here.

The support @ vbulletin.org is second to none
The coders @ vbulletin.org deserve recognition
There is an overwhelming silent majority that are very greatful for all of the above.

Boofo is being made a scapegoat in this thread and it's really not on.

[Rahstyles]

Originally Posted by Felixbone

code is code and there's no quality of code, lol, it seems like you don't know anything about what's going on here.

an example for you:

a template made with dreamweaver, drag and drop. used a lot of tables.
a template made by hand-coded, css and xhtml valid. tabless.

both template looks the same, and what's the different then, answer yourself!

a mod for display statistic of your forum that require a lot of querry, slow down your server.
a mod for display statistic of your forum that require less querry, fast, ajax powered.

what's the different?

Apple can keep the price lower for Iphone and Ipad so it can bring them much more customers but the truth that their prices always at top of the market. Please explain me why they should do it?

The answer that it's not only about the quality of works but also the brand of the product.

Note that we have proof that all materials requires to made a complete apple product is xx times cheaper than the price of the product itself.

Dude seriously??? i aint even gonna read your post after your first sentence.. come get at me.. when u said somthing sombody hasnt already said in this thread..

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Originally Posted by kh99

People do make $50 or even $100 per hour for coding, but probably not for vb mods (or at least not many).



Maybe you misheard them.

Na i heard them correctly.... You werent even there so.. you wouldn't know ..

NEXT...

[kh99]

Originally Posted by Rahstyles2008

Na i heard them correctly.... You werent even there so.. you wouldn't know ..

Didn't have to be there, I just had to read your earlier posts.

[TheLastSuperman]

Here's the short:

1) Everything costs.
2) Some have money, some don't.
3) Some spend money, some don't.
4) Some pay more than others, smart shopping or being business savvy it's whatever you want to call it.
5) If you want it done right do it yourself, if can't do it yourself, use your best judgment and hire someone who you feel will do a good job within your budget.
6) ^ Walk away happy either way, the works done and you have something to admire whatever it was, job well done by whoever.

And that's pretty much it, what more is there?

This thread has already given a few the wrong impression of others and I won't stand for that so let's quit the bickering and banter, back to our forums I say!

[AusPhotography]

Interesting thread. Here are some of my thoughts.

I've recently put up a few mods that I thought might of generic use.

Our site has some paid for mods (VaultWiki, Photopost Gallery, vBA CMPS, and some skins);
plus a few vb.org mods (that are all marked installed, for which we are grateful);
plus some home grown mods, some of which are very specific and won't be released,
and some I have released.

I'm not that interested in $$ for what we have released.
I would want $$ for the photographic competition system IF the end user used it on a paid forum.
This however it is a niche market product. (~12,000 lines of code)

BTW our site is free, and we give out ~$5,000 in prizes each year via sponsors and revenue
from our shop and advertising - not bad for free membership :up:

Also: $50 an hour for a experienced developer is good value
My day job is an IT Project Manager/Systems Architect for a large rail infrastructure company.

The real issue is people expecting pro level support for voluntary work
all I can say to the complainers is grow up!!
Treat the free/voluntary developers and their mods with the respect they deserve!

Actually do the same for the paid mods!
Why? Because you will get better support by being nice than banging you hands on the table.
Work with the support people if you have an issue - provide concise relevant information
when you have a problem or feature request.
Politeness goes a looooooong way!
Same goes with dealing with IB/vB.com

If it's a paid mod, then sure I expect it to be supported and I find that to be the case and I can
express my needs and I get listened to - by being polite and helpful.

So in summary, be polite, work with developers, and be grateful. It makes everyone's life better.

Kym