Obamatopia

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Originally Posted by KevinL

The progressive tax system has been in effect for years....there is going to be no change. Stop saying things you have no idea what you're talking about :erm:

YEA OK right.....I didn't hear him say that.......

"Stop saying things you have no idea what you're talking about :erm:[/QUOTE]"

GOOD idea!!

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Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

You know, "spreading the wealth" was an unfortunate turn of phrase in that Obama has used, to my knowledge, only twice. However, his tax plan has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. His plan rolls back the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy (and I'm sorry, if you make more then a quarter million dollars a year, your wealthy) and gives the tax cuts to the middle class instead. I realize that was the McCain party line for the last few weeks of the campaign, but the whole notion of him being a socialist for that very reason is just plain silly.



The whole package is what makes a good president. We judged the last guy on far less then that, and look where it got us.



What taxes has Obama raised exactly? I believe I stated this already, Obama was voted in because of his judgment on all the important issues. Truthfully, that is and has always been the way we measure Presidents being that, barring a guy running for a second term, no one can claim that they have experience being President. Judgment will almost always trump experience, which is why we got Presidents like Lincoln and Kennedy.


So why is it, when people disagree with you, they're sheep? Why is it, when people have a positive view of someone, it's only because the last guy was far worse by comparison. Look, if we were only interested in replacing Bush because anyone was better then that, the country could have gone with anyone else. Instead it went for the guy who by all accounts and by all measure of history didn't stand a chance. Doesn't that tell you something, at least, about the people's measure of the man, rather then you insulting their intelligence because they don't share your opinion?



Are you really under the impression that every neighborhood in the US is a bunch of guys sitting on their front porch being cajoled into voting for the choice of the guy with the biggest personality? This is the 21st century. Most of us don't even know our neighbor's first name. We may not even know what our neighbors look like. What we go by these days is our own best judgment. Again, why malign others because they don't share your opinion?

Also, that notion that Obama's campaign silenced anyone is equally ridiculous. The reason none of these so called "grey" questions where pursued is because they where all debunked ages ago. Only the fringe groups wanted to rehash this stuff, and what credible arguments they couldn't find, they made up. (i.e Obama is an Arab, Obama is a Muslim, Obama is a Space Alien, Obama was born three tenths of a second before Hawaii became a state.) What's sad is no one criticises the media for not pursuing the questionable alliances McCain has made over the years. Granted, they were no more insidious then any of Obama's so called ties, but still, there were no massive outcries to the media to dredge those up.

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand either of them. As a matter of fact, any of them!

So if the Bush tax cuts are "rolled back" those making 45k/yr will pay an extra 3k in taxes, those making 25k/yr will pay 700. in extra taxes. Now if he cuts taxes on the middle class then we will be at the same level or more then we are at now. Hummmm, can you say play on words? PS - He raised taxes on those making over 45k a few years ago in the senate.

Wealthy is over a million/yr. I guess its all where you sit in the poop. So why should the person making more than you pay more by an unequal sliding scale? Chances are he hired you. Chances are people will loose there jobs..........

There were two people that I can think of that started out this way, one in germany and one in cuba! Time will tell, we'll see, although it might be too late by then.

Sheepeople vote because they are infactuated with the person. Reagan, Swartzeneger(sp), Hogan, Obama........ Lets face it, if McCain were younger and acted like he was alive, he would have won. I don't care if you agree or disagree, people are sheep, not all, but most. They follow, they don't leed. If you really think they voted on the issues.....ok....once again, most had no idea of the issues.

Gray questions debunked my butt. Bury the questions is more like it. Your buddy pelosi wants to cut free speech as I had mentioned. Who runs the media?

I wanted to write in "NONE OF THE ABOVE". Unfortunatly, we would have needed 51% to get rid of both!!

Time will tell..!!!