[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by lasto

You all want so much from one man - its a certainty that you are going to be disapointed.

There's another one I don't get. What is this "so much" that everyone with an opposing view keeps saying Obama supporters want? A President who creates jobs? A president in touch with times? A President who doesn't fabricate reasons to go to war? A President who can pronounce the word nuclear?

You know, we've actually had a few decent Presidents over the course of our history. I expect Obama to do just a little bit better then they did. Wow, what a stretch.

Originally Posted by Sticky1

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand either of them. As a matter of fact, any of them!

So if the Bush tax cuts are "rolled back" those making 45k/yr will pay an extra 3k in taxes, those making 25k/yr will pay 700. in extra taxes. Now if he cuts taxes on the middle class then we will be at the same level or more then we are at now. Hummmm, can you say play on words? PS - He raised taxes on those making over 45k a few years ago in the senate.

Wealthy is over a million/yr. I guess its all where you sit in the poop. So why should the person making more than you pay more by an unequal sliding scale? Chances are he hired you. Chances are people will loose there jobs..........

Well, now if you had actually read the tax plan that was on his website for the entirety of the campaign (and still is) you would see that the Bush tax cuts would either be rolled back or allowed to expire. Either way, the plan is that those making a quarter million a year would see higher taxes. The top 5% of the country. The other 95% would see a tax cut.

Now, you can disagree with that philosophy, but Obama and his surrogates stated and restated this ad nauseum for over a year. To suggest he said or has done anything different would just be a fabrication (or not paying attention).

By the way, those taxes that Obama raised? I was wondering if you would actually site the number, and better yet the reasons. The truth is he voted to raise taxes 94 times while in the senate. But you know what, reasons matter. Some of those votes were raising taxes on millionaires to fund groups like veterans programs and Head Start. Others raised taxes on corporations of the wealthy while cutting taxes on the middle class. But predominantly, he raised taxes on the affluent and cut taxes on the middle class. Pretty much directly in line with the philosophy of his campaign tax plan. Now like I said, you can disagree with that. But to suggest he's stated anything different is beyond spin, it's a fabrication.

There were two people that I can think of that started out this way, one in germany and one in cuba! Time will tell, we'll see, although it might be too late by then.

So your comparing the guy who actively campaigned against democracy and the guy who used violence to overthrow his own government to the guy who said he believed that Americans can do anything if they put their mind to it? Honestly, you might as well compare him to Lex Luthor, they have about as much in common.

Sheepeople vote because they are infactuated with the person. Reagan, Swartzeneger(sp), Hogan, Obama........ Lets face it, if McCain were younger and acted like he was alive, he would have won. I don't care if you agree or disagree, people are sheep, not all, but most. They follow, they don't leed. If you really think they voted on the issues.....ok....once again, most had no idea of the issues.

Okay, did you just suggest that everyone is sheep because they follow? So we're all supposed to lead? You lost me here.

Gray questions debunked my butt. Bury the questions is more like it. Your buddy pelosi wants to cut free speech as I had mentioned. Who runs the media?

My buddy? <Looks for missing Pelosi Christmas card>

Okay, which issue was buried? His birth certificate? His heritage (as if it mattered)? His association with William Ayres? What? All of these have been debunked over and over again.

Originally Posted by GSeybold

So pardon me if I don't subscribe to Camelot-ish post Obama win mentality. I can't be manipulated by the media unlike most of the world.

I hope Obama does well.

Not to come of harsh here, but while I respect your right to be cautious, I resent the implication that mine or anyone's admiration of Obama was because we were manipulated by the media. If anything, the opposite was true.

I'm a stay-at-home dad and I would string all the major news networks playlists each day as I went about my day. I heard as much harsh criticism of Obama as I did positive feedback. And I don't lump opinion shows like Olbermann and O'Riley as part of the media, as so many do. Of course opinion shows are going to be biased. That's why their opinion shows. The regular news networks asked all the same questions over and over again and put Obama through the ringer. Most people only saw the little news snippets at the end of the day. And if they said anything remotely positive about Obama, suddenly the other side would scream bias.

Truth is, a non-partisan fact check group tallied up the number of times reporters had said something negative about Obama as it did about McCain. But that's a story that didn't get much coverage because the opposite of what you say is true: folks were already sold on the story that the media loved Obama that it didn't matter if the facts said otherwise.

I also resent the suggestion that because one admires the man that they think he's going to bring about Camelot. For goodness sake, are we as a nation so cynical that the idea that someone might do a good job running the country is so fableish means you got your head in the clouds? There are some sensible people out there, and every so often in our history, they get put into a position to make some real positive changes. It happens. You've got to temper your cautiousness just enough so you don't miss it when it does.