My feedback on adding forums to this site...

[Taco John]

Hi there...

I'm new to vBulletin, and have come to love it... One thing I love about it is the vast community of hacks that are available... and the wonderful community here to support and guide the vBulletin hacker.

As I'm going through these hacks, I'm noticing that certain hacks add a level of functionality and depth to the forums, that they stand head and shoulders above the rest. Some of these hacks have even developed sub-communities of users creating hacks based on the original hack...

Lesane's Store hack comes to mind. The functionality that this hack adds is incredible.

I propose a new section on vbulletin.org that provides entire forums dedicated to the support and ongoing development of in-depth hacks that have cultivated sub-communities of their own.

The idea is that there are some substantial hacks out here that could use a forum to really blossom and reach their full potential. There would be a section entitled "Subsantial Hacks" (or something of the like, and below it would be forums dedicated to these particular substantial hacks (an admin or 'council' here would decide what qualifies).

I really believe that this would be a benefit to this community, and add a level of depth to some of these hacks that have so much potential yet to be realized.

Any thoughts on this?

[DrkFusion]

Sure this can be done, but in my opinion, I think the current system is ok. If they want to get it recognized more, or want to be able to organize it, and offer support more efficiently, they may wish to look into a solution like what TECK did for vBhome, by starting a site of there own to offer support for the hack, and the community for it is growing vastly, and seems to be doing very nice. They also offer addons there, and the support team, and the members are there to help. If the creators wanted there hack to expand, they would take measures to do so, and if they saw the need to offer more extended support for there hack, no body is stoping them, and it is perfectly fine for them to move the hack support to there own forums, as long as they respect the Liscense Members rules, and authorize the users wisely.

Just My opinion

[Taco John]

I think vBhome is another project altogether... It's not just a hack, but a whole new mosnter. I don't think a lot of the types of hacks I'm talking about need an entire website forum dedicated to them. That would be overkill...


Hey! Aren't you the guy going around acting as the sig police? Quit raining on everybodies parade... irate:

[Taco John]

Besides, I'm talking about more of a transitional phase beteween a normal hack, and what vBhome has turned into... I think it would be helpful to nurture them here first... I think we'd get a lot better, more robust hacks that way...

[Dean C]

I think if this happens then there would be no reason for vbulletin.org..

Personally i find it annoying that i have to sign up at TECK's forum to get information and pre-releases of the next version of vbhome ...

I think however that TECK is making a retail-version of vbhome lite which will be incredible seems as TECK is so sensible when coding hacks in relation to the query amount etc..

But i mean having a forum for hacks like Lesane's Store Hack would mean that people with unlicensed vbulletin's would have access and i personally dont' like the sound of that..

- miSt

[DrkFusion]

@Taco John, the sig rules are outlined clearly, its either you fix it, or a mod fixes it and gives you a warning.

Also I still do not see a need for direct forums for well demand hacks. There are threads, people are getting the support they need, and its all good. Doing so will have no effect what so ever, it would be a waste of resources here at vB.org. Sure it may bring some more users to use the hack. It may be used to offer more support, but heck, the creators, have tried there hardest to make the installations, and the hack itself run smoothly, now there are many people here who are willing to help within the appointed thread by the author, and the author will also help. The mods already have a big job, for them to search around and find hacks that are in well-demand its a burden, especially when they are working without profit to keep these communities clean, and running smoothly for us. Also how is vBhome another project all together? It is using the vB codes/databases/admin panel, to run, it is infact an addon just like lesans store, and other hacks, it is not a special case. It just works differently, and there has been a very big demand for frontpage integration with vB.

@Mist, what are you talking about? Unliscensed users having access? Uhh I believe he was talking about making sub forums for the major hacks. Meaning the forums would inherit any permissions the admin will set, so it would be the same anyway. What you just posted has barely anything that seems to make sense.

Also Taco John, there is a nice juicy edit button on your post no need for double posting

Regards

[Taco John]

Originally posted by DrkFusion
[B]. There are threads, people are getting the support they need, and its all good.

Wrong and wrong.

You couldn't be more wrong. I spent four hours going through the Leasne store thread looking for a simple solution to adding new items to the store. After reading 70 + pages of the 112 pages of the thread, I finally gave up.

It's not all good. That's an example of a terriffic hack that could be taken to another level if it were given a bigger pot to grow in. This forum here is asking for "site feedback" and I'm giving it... It iself is a waste of resources if people like you feel the need to piss on our ideas for feedback before they are even explored.

Sure it may bring some more users to use the hack. It may be used to offer more support, but heck, the creators, have tried there hardest to make the installations, and the hack itself run smoothly, now there are many people here who are willing to help within the appointed thread by the author, and the author will also help.

Do you even realize how conter-productive your point is here? You practically make my point for me... Yes, it would bring users to use these stand-out hacks more. Yes, the dedicated forums could be used for additional support... Instead of 112 page threads, we can have individual threads dedicated to individual problems. This would make it so much easier for the hack creator to provide support... It would also give more footing to these stand-out hacks, and let a community build around them...

The mods already have a big job, for them to search around and find hacks that are in well-demand its a burden, especially when they are working without profit to keep these communities clean, and running smoothly for us.

If the mods don't like their jobs, nobody is holding guns to their heads. I'm sure everybody here can appreciate that being a mod is a hard and thankless job. But as a mod myself (of my own forum), I also know that we (as mods of our respective forums) are always looking for new ideas to cultivate the seeds that we have planted with our respective boards, and in my opinion, it's time to provide some more robust support for some of these great hacks before they crumble under their own weight.

If resources are the concerns, I assure you, I'd have used less resources in my four hours of searching post after post if there was a forum about this particularly great hack with subject threads to view.

I'm not asking it for every single hack... But there are a handful out there that are so great, they deserve to be taken to the next level.

Also Taco John, there is a nice juicy edit button on your post no need for double posting

The board police in action. I guess if you can't come up with any good feedback, you might as well mix in piss and vinegar and pretend that you did.

[DrkFusion]

There is no need to start posting rude Taco John, I was nice enough to just try to put some input, I did not put down your idea in anyway, I am sure you are aware of this, and the many who read this thread are maybe aware.

First of all, you being a mod and all, know the rules, and features, so I do not have to tell you about that.

Second of all, I myself think this is a nice idea, as I stated in my first post, and us being the end-user know that support is good, but the admins have taken some time to make getting support in this monstrous threads ranging 100 pages plus easier. Note the "search this thread" feature at the bottom of each thread, which I should say is very useful myself. I know how you and others feel, but people should really start using the sources available to them first, and if at first it does not work, try again, then if it doesn't work, go ahead and freely suggest something.

Hopefully you understand, I am not trying "mix in piss and vinegar and pretend that" I did, and sure maybe I should of took some time to suggest these outwards, and more direct.

Also I would like to take the time to say, that the mods here are well experienced, and do there jobs nicely every day, and the mods I believe love there job here, and it is also our job to make there job easier, so they can have a bit of fun here and there.

Also as a request personally from me, please stop calling me board police

[Dean C]

Ahhh i see i thought he meant having seperate forums for hacks like TW

[Chris M]

Well...The Hack Creators can do that if they want - Nothing is stopping them

Personally I agree with Arunan - Although it would have a chance to offer greater support, there would be the dilemma of having alot of sub-forums - There are many big hacks out there in the Full Releases Forum, and one thing about this is that not all of them can have their own sub-forum...There would be a case of "I want a sub-forum" and "No...I want one" and it would get to the point, that more confusion would follow...

If you don't understand what I said, my point is basically that too many chefs spoil the broth Too many sub-forums will make other user's jealous, angry and upset that their hack didn't make it...

Since the installation of the "Search this thread" hack by Erwin, our lives as Hackers has become much simpler...And as far as I know, Support is offered for new ideas, questions why something doesn't work, or questions about a different way to do something - Adding Items to Lesane's Store doesn't fit under any of the above categories

Satan