Shhh, this is a secret!!!

[SpelChek?]

There's this FREE board modification that can't be named, that's been upgraded to be compatible with vB3 (as has been requested here, and here). It seems anytime we try to let the people who've been asking for this upgrade, know about it, another board mod deletes the thread because they think it's an advertisement. So while I can't say what this service is I can let people know we have one, that many people have shown interest in it, that's free. I guess if enough people contact the mods and ask them if they'd allow LEGAL posts about FREE modification to be posted, then I can let you know about it.

Perhaps someone can convince them to actually read the site rules:

Rules Regarding Commercial/Paid Hacks:

1) You can link your commercial/paid scripts/hacks/services in your signature but without any promotional language (eg. "best", "cheapest" etc.). The signatures rules still apply to such signatures.

2) Paid hack, scripts or commercial addons can be discussed in vbulletin.org without being promoted. However, authors of the commercial hack or addon cannot start threads discussing their own products or promote it in anyway in vb.org posts. If a commercial hack discussion thread turns into a promotional thread, it will be closed or deleted. If authors are found using another account or encouraging a friend account to circumvent this rule, all accounts involved will be banned.

3) Beta or Lite versions of commercial hacks/scripts may be released here as long as:
a) The beta or lite version is fully functional
b) The beta or lite version is not time limited in any way
c) The beta or lite version is completely free
d) The beta or lite version is stand-alone and completely separate to the full version
e) A link back to the full version is allowed, as long as no price or promotional language is embedded into the beta or lite version.

4) Addons for commercial hacks may be released here as long as:
a) A free beta or lite version of the commercial hack has been released here as per Rule (3) above.
b) The addon is fully functional
c) The addon is not time limited in any way
d) The addon is completely free
e) A link back to the full version is allowed, as long as no price or promotional language is embedded into the addon.

5) Uncommercial vbulletin hacks that integrate vbulletin into third party independent commercial software CAN be released in vbulletin.org provided that the hack thread is not created to promote the sales of the commercial product. (Independent scripts are the software that are able to run without needing vbulletin).

If it were me, who charged people $160 for a MB script, I think I'd let people know about FREE services that improve the functionality of that script. But hey, that's just me. I like people to get the most of what they pay for (even if it's free).

[j_86]

You can't expect them to be perfect

[Colin F]

Originally Posted by SpelChek?

There's this FREE board modification that can't be named, that's been upgraded to be compatible with vB3 (as has been requested here, and here). It seems anytime we try to let the people who've been asking for this upgrade, know about it, another board mod deletes the thread because they think it's an advertisement. So while I can't say what this service is I can let people know we have one, that many people have shown interest in it, that's free. I guess if enough people contact the mods and ask them if they'd allow LEGAL posts about FREE modification to be posted, then I can let you know about it.

Perhaps someone can convince them to actually read the site rules:

Rules Regarding Commercial/Paid Hacks:

1) You can link your commercial/paid scripts/hacks/services in your signature but without any promotional language (eg. "best", "cheapest" etc.). The signatures rules still apply to such signatures.

2) Paid hack, scripts or commercial addons can be discussed in vbulletin.org without being promoted. However, authors of the commercial hack or addon cannot start threads discussing their own products or promote it in anyway in vb.org posts. If a commercial hack discussion thread turns into a promotional thread, it will be closed or deleted. If authors are found using another account or encouraging a friend account to circumvent this rule, all accounts involved will be banned.

3) Beta or Lite versions of commercial hacks/scripts may be released here as long as:
a) The beta or lite version is fully functional
b) The beta or lite version is not time limited in any way
c) The beta or lite version is completely free
d) The beta or lite version is stand-alone and completely separate to the full version
e) A link back to the full version is allowed, as long as no price or promotional language is embedded into the beta or lite version.

4) Addons for commercial hacks may be released here as long as:
a) A free beta or lite version of the commercial hack has been released here as per Rule (3) above.
b) The addon is fully functional
c) The addon is not time limited in any way
d) The addon is completely free
e) A link back to the full version is allowed, as long as no price or promotional language is embedded into the addon.

5) Uncommercial vbulletin hacks that integrate vbulletin into third party independent commercial software CAN be released in vbulletin.org provided that the hack thread is not created to promote the sales of the commercial product. (Independent scripts are the software that are able to run without needing vbulletin).

If it were me, who charged people $160 for a MB script, I think I'd let people know about FREE services that improve the functionality of that script. But hey, that's just me. I like people to get the most of what they pay for (even if it's free).

Somehow we have a different definition of free.

When I look at your site, it seems to me as if I would have to show your ads if I want to use it. That's already not free for me, as it's lost revenue for me, because I could place other ads there or could keep it adfree, making my board a nicer place to be.

If it doesn't have ads, what is the difference between the free and the paid version?

[Brad]

You are not allowed to advertise on this site. From what I can see your hack requires the users to place ad's on their forum, which is just anthor form of making money off of them.

Free = Not controlled by obligation or the will of another.

[Xenon]

Well regarding the word free, look at the posts above.

And i really don't know why you are posting the rules.
Everyone can see them already on the rules page.

Or to be more specific, most rules doesn't even fit for that topic.

1) Signature Rule: We are talking about a thread
3-5) Rules about releasing modifications. Well, you did not release anything here on vbulletin.org you were just providing a link

so the mean Rule nr 2 fits.

However, authors of the commercial hack or addon cannot start threads discussing their own products or promote it in anyway in vb.org posts.

So to come to an conclusion, if you upload a free script, then you can link to your site as well, but all you did was just advertising, and that's not allowed.

[SpelChek?]

Originally Posted by Brad.loo

You are not allowed to advertise on this site. From what I can see your hack requires the users to place ad's on their forum, which is just anthor form of making money off of them.

It would normally except none of the ads are paid for -- they are all donated ads for either non-profit organizations or causes supported by the creator of the site. In other words the ads convey the opinion of the author, sort of like what any post on any message board does. I guess that would make your post a paid advertisement, too.

[SpelChek?]

Originally Posted by Xenon

Well regarding the word free, look at the posts above.

And i really don't know why you are posting the rules.
Everyone can see them already on the rules page.

Or to be more specific, most rules doesn't even fit for that topic.

1) Signature Rule: We are talking about a thread
3-5) Rules about releasing modifications. Well, you did not release anything here on vbulletin.org you were just providing a link

so the mean Rule nr 2 fits.


So to come to an conclusion, if you upload a free script, then you can link to your site as well, but all you did was just advertising, and that's not allowed.

Since the install script is different for different board and version, and is subject to change, copying the script from the site makes much more sense.

I INFORMED people of the upgrade, designed specifically for the needs of those who have requested it at this very board. I had already ran the post by a moderator who said it was okay. You guys need to get together and decide what your rules actually mean, then let us know.

[Colin F]

Originally Posted by SpelChek?

It would normally except none of the ads are paid for -- they are all donated ads for either non-profit organizations or causes supported by the creator of the site. In other words the ads convey the opinion of the author, sort of like what any post on any message board does. I guess that would make your post a paid advertisement, too.

Whatever ads they might be, they are still ads, and removing them would cost me.

[Colin F]

Originally Posted by SpelChek?

Since the install script is different for different board and version, and is subject to change, copying the script from the site makes much more sense.

I INFORMED people of the upgrade, designed specifically for the needs of those who have requested it at this very board. I had already ran the post by a moderator who said it was okay. You guys need to get together and decide what your rules actually mean, then let us know.

I don't understand why the install script is different for different versions of vBulletin. If you mean vB2 and vB3, you are allowed to start a thread for each version.

Also, other modifications get updated as well. Still, the authors find the time to update the files here on vbulletin.org. If you don't think you have the time, either don't update it or don't post it at all.

Also, in regard to your running the post by a moderator: while the moderators here are very competent, the admins have the last say, and their decision overrides that of the moderators. Anyone can make a mistake, so don't blame them of not being organised

[Reeve of shinra]

I took a look simply because I was curious and the having to go with a pro account which carries a charge, even though you may not get charged for it if you have a $0 balance seems funny in a scam like way to me.