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Old 03-20-2003, 05:19 PM
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Hi,

I'm an avid listener of a certain radio show in Britain called the 'James Whale'. He is a radical man (to sum it up into one adjective) and he has been behind the scenes in the scene of politics in showbusiness for many years now (over 30 years).

His show airs on a UK radio show called TalkSport between 10.00pm - 1.00am (GMT) on mondays-thursdays.

I always listen to his show and i always find his ideas to be somewhat interesting.

He is not a fan of many things and prefers a state where everything is simplified.

The one thing that he is firmly against is religion. He raises the point that it is the cause of wars and argues that how these religious leaders can say that fighting wars in the name of their religion is justified by their gods.

I'd just like to see what everyone elses opinion is on this ?

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Old 03-20-2003, 05:28 PM
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have the same opinion ... moreover I think stupid believing into something which doesn't exist ... that nobody have never seen ... just because human race is affraid about death and has to search a protection into an imaginary God ...

I respect their (your) opinion, but it's my point of view
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have the same opinion ... moreover I think stupid believing into something which doesn't exist ... that nobody have never seen ... just because human race is affraid about death and has to search a protection into an imaginary God ...

I respect their (your) opinion, but it's my point of view
Took the words right out of my mouth..
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Despite the possible controversy I think I'll close this unless Xenon or Erwin decides to unlock it. Nothing--nothing--good ever happens with a religious debate.
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I'm happy for this thread to be reopened. Mind our forum rules, and this thread will remain open. Religion threads are always controversial as they deal with the basic question of faith. The belief of an absence in God is just the same as the belief in the presence of God - both requires faith, because we do not know if God exists or not. The only way we know is if we know all there is to know in this universe. If you do not know 100% of all there is to know in this universe, then you can never say he exists or he doesn't. It's a matter of faith.
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I'm happy for this thread to be reopened. Mind our forum rules, and this thread will remain open. Religion threads are always controversial as they deal with the basic question of faith. The belief of an absence in God is just the same as the belief in the presence of God - both requires faith, because we do not know if God exists or not. The only way we know is if we know all there is to know in this universe. If you do not know 100% of all there is to know in this universe, then you can never say he exists or he doesn't. It's a matter of faith.
Agreed, its a matter of yourself, and mostly how you are brought up. People say god created earth and stuff, scientists say that the Big Bang created...whatever. They say the big-band occured due to many gases forming together or something, so I ask them, where did those gas come from? Where did they original from? They can't just be there, and if they answer that, trust me when I say, I can question there "hypothesis" til they drop.

I am infact a strong believer, but will not go as far as to anhilate another race for there disbelief in my religion, or others beliefs in their religion. I will not attack another person for there beliefs, or even have disbelief in others religion. I think god is god, no matter what religion, race, skin colour..no mater anything, god will always be god, its a sense of faith, as Erwin stated before, but there will always be strong belief in god by many people, more than those of Science, it cannot be taken out.

I actually think scientists should stop trying to prove god does not exist, and work on finding cures for cancer and other diseases, and it seems more of a better use for there talents.

Also to those who have strong belief in science, and want to challenge me in the "creation of the universe field" feel free too, with only one question I can assure you 100% that the Big-Bang theory does not have ample proof of its origination.
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I believe that people use religion as a cover-up to life's unanswered questions.

Or they use god's and demons to hide their lack of knowledge (no offence).

I think religion leads to more fighting in the world than anything else. Take catholics and prosetents, terrible things happened thier.

Also, I agree with grog6's statement
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i dont think anything ever has come of religion besides something to cling onto
even today the wars going on its about religion to some people
false propaganda used to make feel obligated by religion, if u know whats wrong and right its not religion that will do it, its ur own faith in god, cuz religion can often contradict itself

In the old days when no one knew any better, they would just have wars conquer and spread there faith,
and it seems to be reocurring
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Religion just basically brings people hope... And hope brings them a will to survive. I will agree with you, though, Religion usually brings military conflict. People say they're not racist or they don't prejudice other ethnic groups or religions, but deep down, they think their own is slightly better, and that's a reason to be right there.
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Religion just basically brings people hope... And hope brings them a will to survive. I will agree with you, though, Religion usually brings military conflict. People say they're not racist or they don't prejudice other ethnic groups or religions, but deep down, they think their own is slightly better, and that's a reason to be right there.
People who have no real religious faith think like this, or when they are brought up being told, muslims are bad, hindus are bad, catholics are bad etc.

The problems are not grown inside, they are put in by influence, belief in religion does not mean fighting, its when you are taught this way, that your race is better than another, or when some problems occur in your life, and it happens to be a person of another religion, they use hate as a sense of belief that its not there fault.
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