Non Refresh-able Header

[DJ-Dez]

Hello,

Currently running VB4 - Is it possible to have a non refreshable header? This would make it easier for my users on my website. I'm just wondering how you would go about doing this do header is always there on refresh.

Thanks

[ozzy47]

Not exactly sure what you mean by " non refreshable header ", could you explain a bit more.

[DJ-Dez]

Well when you go to showthread for example, the whole page generally reloads. I just want it so the header is always there and all the pages and served via javascript/ajax/jquery

This would help for example, If I put a radio player on my forum it won't refresh and stop the music.

If you get me..

[Zachery]

Your radio player should be in an optional popup, people generally despise music on pages.

You have two options, code the site to operate in frames, where the top frame is your header, and the rest of the lower frame is vBulletin. This can be problematic

Recode the entire software to work on ajax calls.

Both are huge efforts for small rewards.

[ozzy47]

Yeah this is not something I would recommend. Lets go over the following.

1. Simply The Best
Look at the most commercially successful websites. Does Amazon play music automatically? Does Facebook? Does Ebay? Does Google? What about Yahoo, or IMDB? The answer in all cases is no. Why? Because they’ve done their research (they can afford to, after all). And their research told them it was a bad idea. Isn’t it great that you can benefit from this research without paying for it?

2. No Accounting For Taste
There is no music that all of your visitors will like. Not everyone likes Mozart, not everyone likes Metallica, and relatively few people like elevator ambient background music. For every visitor that comes to your site and thinks “cool” there will be at least one who will think “ick!” and never return.

3. Mixing It Up
A visitor might be listening to a quiet classical CD using their PC with headphones. They click to your site, which then adds a hip-hop beat to the mix at four times the volume, making their ears bleed. Hitting the back button and remembering your site name takes less time than finding your wierd-looking “stop” or “pause” button. You’ll never see that visitor again.

4. Share And Enjoy
4. Someone may be using their laptop in an open-plan office without headphones, and may have forgotten to mute the sound. Your site may be relevant to their needs, but if the music that suddenly blares out embarrasses them or annoys their colleagues (or worse still their boss), you can bet they won’t visit again or recommend you to others.

5. You’re Nicked
Are you sure you have the right to add that particular track to your website? If you didn’t compose and record it yourself, you’d better be very sure, or start putting a lot of money aside ready for when the Warner Brothers or Sony legal team comes knocking at your door.

6. We Can Multitask
With tabbed browsing, it’s often convenient to middle-click several search engine results and then flick through them. If your site is one of those results, and it starts playing music, and your visitor doesn’t want that music, they have to flick through the tabs until they work out which site is offending them. You can bet they’ll close that tab. And imagine what happens if two of the websites they clicked start playing music – a horrible cacophany that will have your visitor reaching for their browser’s “Exit” button.

7. Of Lipstick and Pigs
You may think it really gives your website that finishing touch of “pizazz”. OK, let’s turn that statement around. You’re seriously saying that your website isn’t interesting enough unless you add automatically-playing music to it? Man, you’re in trouble. Or your designer is.

8. The Science Bit
Assuming you’re still ignoring every point made so far, and you actually get a visitor who stays on your front page while music plays at them, and amazingly enough clicks a further link in your site, how do you keep the audio track from stopping and starting again? That’s right, you’ll be using a frame or iframe. Or your site is entirely Flash-based. Or both. Well done, you’ve just broken the back button and hindered the ability of search engines to find and index your site properly.

9. Money, Money, Money
Any decent length music loop, let alone a full track, will probably use up a higher proportion of your bandwidth than the rest of your site put together. Are you ready for those extra bills?

[Zachery]

Lets not forget music licensing costs

[ozzy47]

Yup.

5. You’re Nicked
Are you sure you have the right to add that particular track to your website? If you didn’t compose and record it yourself, you’d better be very sure, or start putting a lot of money aside ready for when the Warner Brothers or Sony legal team comes knocking at your door.

[DJ-Dez]

All music is royalty free and we create music. The users want this to happen because we make the music.

So before you post your smart arse irrelevant replies about it being illegal and stuff, royalty free music is not illegal. Answer the question - don't ridicule me for something you have no idea on.

I have over 1,000 users daily coming on my forum and if this is what they want then, cheers.

Bandwidth is no issue. I own the server, I pay for it.

Cheers anyway

[HM666]

Originally Posted by DJ-Dez

All music is royalty free and we create music. The users want this to happen because we make the music.

So before you post your smart arse irrelevant replies about it being illegal and stuff, royalty free music is not illegal. Answer the question - don't ridicule me for something you have no idea on.

I have over 1,000 users daily coming on my forum and if this is what they want then, cheers.

Bandwidth is no issue. I own the server, I pay for it.

Cheers anyway

And you never said anything about the music being something you produced yourself, you never gave anyone an idea on what kind/type of site it was, & you gave VERY vague information. You can't come on here and expect people to magically know what the hell you are talking about when you do not give enough info for them to derive a complete answer to your question. And surely blowing them away and acting like an a** is not going to do you any good in getting anyone to help you.

[ozzy47]

Originally Posted by DJ-Dez

All music is royalty free and we create music. The users want this to happen because we make the music.

So before you post your smart arse irrelevant replies about it being illegal and stuff, royalty free music is not illegal. Answer the question - don't ridicule me for something you have no idea on.

I have over 1,000 users daily coming on my forum and if this is what they want then, cheers.

Bandwidth is no issue. I own the server, I pay for it.

Cheers anyway

And with arrogant comments like that, no one is going to spend their free time to help you. Remember this site is run by volunteers and have absolutely no reason to do anything, other than what they want to help with.