Usergroup Permissions Help

[RedTurtle]

I would like to make a user have admin permissions on the forum but not appear as an administrator to other users.

To accomplish this, I created a new usergroup called "Hidden Admins" and copied the permissions from the Administrator group.

I then made this user's primary group be "Registered Users" and his secondary usergroup be "Hidden Admins". I have only the primary usergroup show up for him on the forum.

Now the problem I'm having occurs when this user edits a post. The Hidden Admin's permissions are set that it should not show "Post edited by..." after he edits a post, however the "Registered Users" permissions are set to show that line.

How can I set up the permissions so that the permissions from the "Hidden Admins" group overrides the permissions of the "Registered Users" group? I do have it enabled to allow secondary usergroup permissions in the Registered Users" permissions.

Thank you.

[Max Taxable]

I've often wondered why anyone would have their admins and moderators, show to be admins and moderators. Seems like it's accomplishing little except vanity, and to let the script kiddies and password crackers know which accounts to work on.

[RedTurtle]

bump...

[RedTurtle]

bump... thank you

[cellarius]

I don't have a solution for the OP, I don't think its possible easily (yes always overrides no).

A workaround might be to set the permission for the registered users to not show the edit note, then assign every user that is to show the note a secondary usergroup that does nothing else than set that permission to yes using promotions.

Not tested, just what I can think of from the top of my head.

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

I've often wondered why anyone would have their admins and moderators, show to be admins and moderators. Seems like it's accomplishing little except vanity, and to let the script kiddies and password crackers know which accounts to work on.

Its called transparency. I would much rather have my users know who is maintaining the forum (and that's basically what admins and mods do in perspective of regular user joe), so they know whom they can turn to if they're having problems. Plus I want them to know who is "policing" the forum when it comes to rule issues or conflicts between users. With status comes authority, and everyone who runs a forum knows that from time to time not only help, but also authority is needed. I much rather have that happen open than running some sort of "secret police".

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by cellarius

Its called transparency. I would much rather have my users know who is maintaining the forum (and that's basically what admins and mods do in perspective of regular user joe), so they know whom they can turn to if they're having problems. Plus I want them to know who is "policing" the forum when it comes to rule issues or conflicts between users. With status comes authority, and everyone who runs a forum knows that from time to time not only help, but also authority is needed. I much rather have that happen open than running some sort of "secret police".

I can (sort of) see that. I just never saw the need for moderators, especially not a whole gaggle of them. The "report post" feature works, and by and large people will behave if they know it's expected. At least in my experience. No need for any "police" secret or otherwise.

90% of what moderators do is mop up spam, and when spam is eliminated you don't really need moderators anymore.

It's more like a "everyone else does it" kind of thing.

[cellarius]

That may work for your forum, for others it does not - and not just because everyone else does do something. I'm happy you don't have the need for moderators; I myself feel a lot better knowing that there's someone looking after the place or and being present for newbies to turn to when I don't have the time to look after my forum as much as I would like to.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by cellarius

That may work for your forum, for others it does not - and not just because everyone else does do something. I'm happy you don't have the need for moderators; I myself feel a lot better knowing that there's someone looking after the place or and being present for newbies to turn to when I don't have the time to look after my forum as much as I would like to.

I always snigger when I see these boards that have 82 members, 20 of which are admins or moderators. To each his/her own right?

My original question is one I doubt anyone asks themselves, they just reflexively do what everyone else does. And that includes "upgrades" as well. They don't think about it, they just do it.

[cellarius]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

I always snigger when I see these boards that have 82 members, 20 of which are admins or moderators. To each his/her own right?

I'm not really sure, but given this is in direct quoted reply to my post where I describe why I think moderators are important on my forum, I feel compelled to think you mean this as a direct reply? I can assure you then that my forum neither has 82 members only nor does it have 20 moderators. So snigger all you want, pulling absurd examples does not really help your point.

My original question is one I doubt anyone asks themselves, they just reflexively do what everyone else does. And that includes "upgrades" as well. They don't think about it, they just do it.

That indeed is a stupid thing to do. But equally stupid would be to do it differently just for the sake of doing it differently.

Anyway, I think we have hijacked this thread long enough.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by cellarius

I'm not really sure, but given this is in direct quoted reply to my post where I describe why I think moderators are important on my forum, I feel compelled to think you mean this as a direct reply? I can assure you then that my forum neither has 82 members only nor does it have 20 moderators. So snigger all you want, pulling absurd examples does not really help your point.

Not at all. It's just a general comment about the opposite extremism to mine.

Originally Posted by cellarius

That indeed is a stupid thing to do. But equally stupid would be to do it differently just for the sake of doing it differently.

Which, no one does because 99% of people never give a thought to stuff like this, they just sheepishly and like cattle, do what most everyone else does. The 1% who do give thought to it, actually have good and valid reasons for doing things a little bit differently. Umm, because they have given it some intelligent thought and stuff.