$3,500 lost in add-on development -- My advise to you

[OldSchoolDSL]

I'm going to start off with a simple truth. And that truth is I am not going to name the developer. Why? Because I do not want to go back and forth into a "he said, she said" type argument or intentionally cause drama.

And I'll even close with that thought with my own self admittance that my last comments to this developer was not tasteful or professional, but rather "heat of the moment talk" after learning that they were keeping my money without any return.


So the point of this thread?

My advise to everyone is go with your gut instinct. No matter how recommend someone else or accomplished someone here may seem, go with your gut instinct. This is something I did not do and in the end, I hold myself to blame for not listening to that little voice in my head, which told me maybe this developer is not the right person for the job.

The person in question has burned or disappointed others. There was a large project they had suggest they were going to complete, but never did. But before this action they were highly recommended and a lot of people referred this person to me.

But my own gut instinct told me they seemed "short" with people. By that I mean shot worded and maybe short tempered (quick to anger). Not exactly a "people person".

I dismissed this as a persona trate and figured that I could overlook this as they seemed to be very good with code. And so long as the job was done, I would be happy.

$3,500 later and I regret to inform you all that at this time there will be no alternative Arcade as noted about 1 year ago when I hired this individual.

So again, my advise to everyone is trust your gut. Do not just accept recommendations or praise from other. No matter how well recognized the individual.

[BirdOPrey5]

Sorry to hear but I count at least 3 free working arcades out there - ibpro, v3, dbtech... how many more did you need?

[ForceHSS]

A lot for a arcade when there a working ones out there that i am sure for a small fee could of been changed to what you wanted coded

[Paul M]

I dont think the number of working arcades was really the point of this.

Im a little curious however as to how anyone would manage to pay $3,500 and have nothing at all.

Is that what you are telling us ? that you got nothing at all ? I would never, in a million years, part with that amount of money in one go.

I would be paying in installments, only as installments of working code were passed back to me. Anyone who would not agree to that, would not be doing work for me.

[OldSchoolDSL]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I dont think the number of working arcades was really the point of this.

Im a little curious however as to how anyone would manage to pay $3,500 and have nothing at all.

Is that what you are telling us ? that you got nothing at all ? I would never, in a million years, part with that amount of money in one go.

I would be paying in installments, only as installments of working code were passed back to me. Anyone who would not agree to that, would not be doing work for me.

It was installments and the working prototype was kept on their end. As development and progress continued so did payments. This was over the course of a year. However one day development stopped and so did communication.

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Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Sorry to hear but I count at least 3 free working arcades out there - ibpro, v3, dbtech... how many more did you need?

The development was not for vBulletin, but rather another development. Never the less, the advise applies universally regardless of the platform.

[Zachery]

If there was a long term relationship with a developer, they'd be sending me what they had finished. I wouldn't pay more than a deposit 20%~ without getting some working code. Esp not over the course of a year.

[tbworld]

Originally Posted by OldSchoolDSL

However one day development stopped and so did communication.

I certainly can empathize with your situation, up to the point of making a public statement without including more facts. Deals go wrong and you certainly dished out enough money to feel wronged, but is it a tort? Was he delicit?

Not that it is ideal, but another programmer could pick up where he left off given enough incentive. Sounds to me like you need to find the right programmer and cut him in on the resale of the product or something of that nature. Have a legal third party write out the contract, even though it might never be affordable to enforce it. You never know where a business venture will take you.

Anyway, I wish you good luck and I hope you can work out some alliance with the developer. A little bit of his time working with a new programmer can save you a ton of money. It is well worth to agree to disagree and have a path beyond the dispute for the sake of the product.

Sincerely

[OldSchoolDSL]

Originally Posted by Zachery

If there was a long term relationship with a developer, they'd be sending me what they had finished. I wouldn't pay more than a deposit 20%~ without getting some working code. Esp not over the course of a year.

I was not just shelling out money in good faith. I wouldn't be that foolish.

The was a working prototype to which I could and did actually touch, see, and use. And as the work progressed so did the payments.

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To answer a few questions I have received in both here, else where, and in private....

I will not intentionally name the developer or point to hints. Partly because as my advise suggest, I did not follow my own gut instinct and so I feel I have partly, thought by a minority, myself to blame. I should have followed my own gut instinct and listened to that little voice in my head.

However, for those of you who are seeking a developer and do not want to mistakenly pick this individual, as not to completely leave you out in the dark with no life line....

I can make a suggestion and say that Chris Deeming and cclaerhout are wonderful developers. Here on vBulletin BirdOPrey5 is also someone I would recommend. If you need help, I would suggest them. You can tell them I said so.

Yes, there was a working prototype to which I could touch ("feel"), see, and use. As work continued on the developer's end, so did the payments. So no, I didn't just shell out funds on "good faith", but actual work which I slowly saw take shape.

The alternative arcade had many planned features. This included

• Support for standard v16 and v32 type games
• Support for multi-player games
• Self installing games
• Rating gating
• Top score
• Leader board
• Comments on scores
• Responsive design
• Support for html5 mobile web friendly games
• User permissions / group settings
• Integration with the "spam cleaner"
• Game Campaigns
• Steam Integration
• Comments / reviews on game

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by OldSchoolDSL

The was a working prototype to which I could and did actually touch, see, and use. And as the work progressed so did the payments.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and Im sure you realise this now, but .....
I would not pay anything until I had the code, not a remote working system I can simply see, but code "in my hand", that I can install myself and test.

[OldSchoolDSL]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and Im sure you realise this now, but .....
I would not pay anything until I had the code, not a remote working system I can simply see, but code "in my hand", that I can install myself and test.

It was agreed upon that I would not obtain a copy until the work was finished and I had paid everything that was due.

To my knowledge, this is standard for most developement. You don't recieve anything until the work is completed and you've paid for the final agreed upon price.