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Old 06-02-2006, 01:32 AM
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Never have i tried to cause commotion or unwanted problems. However, the second a couple of people (i included) voice our opinions regarding certain situations, we get a statement that translates to "Follow the first amendment and get banned".

Ask yourself this now, do you honestly think that the staff has more support than the coders and designers who make this forum? The people who come here come here for what we do, and yet when we ask for answers, we get put down? A staff title here means nothing more than a simple "I can delete and edit posts", and yes... you've made it very clear that you can. However, no coders and designers = no need for this site = no need for a staff. So why doesn't everyone try and remember exactly what this site is for and tuck your tail in between your legs.

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Anticipation = The hope for fascination, which in this case may seem like it = procrastination?
But let me change it and add that this procrastination is leading to aggravation and possibly the site lacking elevation, and possibly soon will be needing termination if the determination and anticipation isn't put into consideration. Did i make that clear?

Some coders and i were talking over on AIM about actually leaving vb.org along with the many who have. I actually am quite active here as you know and still have some love for it and the users here, so i'm trying to hold on to what's left. However, how about some inspiration?

Wayne, i'm sorry if i offended you in my post in the other thread. However, i just think that that pm to Corrie was a bit uncalled for.

Hopefully this thread doesn't get closed and deleted. Before jumping to conclusions and saying "This thread won't cause any good", why not try and give some good input?
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Old 06-02-2006, 01:35 AM
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Inspiration, encouragement and motivation are essentiel in keeping a community active.
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Old 06-02-2006, 01:37 AM
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Inspiration, encouragement and motivation are essentiel in keeping a community active.
Thank you for agreeing.
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Old 06-02-2006, 01:37 AM
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Though I'm friends with Corrie, I'm not going to be a fanboy for either group.

The last thread was somewha tense, and obviously people still have frustrations over the pace of things. Instead of closing the thread, sending threatening PMs, deleting posts, and talking of banning, I think it would have been much better to tell everyone, on both sides, to cool down and talk it over rationally.

Were there blatant personal attacks in the last thread? I don't think so; though plenty were hinted at. Lets have a nice civlized discussion without pulling out the ban hammer and without yelling insults at staff.
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Yes, Wayne, no one wants to attack the staff here. We are simply looking for updates on progress. I am unsure why we are being alienated, but I can tell you that I have not broken any rules here what so ever. I can tell you wayne, that your language isn't appreciated in your private message to me. If I am banned, I will make sure that, the pm (which has been forwarded to many on this site by now) will get to the right people at Jelsoft. Now, can the hard working people here please be met with civil respect?
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Old 06-02-2006, 01:39 AM
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Yes, please.
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Old 06-02-2006, 01:45 AM
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These changes will take time. For one thing this is a high volume site, and creating complex hacks for it is more of a challenge than you might think. For another, adding more coders and staff will help, but as any project manager can tell you there is always a ramp up time after adding new staff to a project.

Give them a break, give them some time.

And to the staff: Closing and deleting threads can sometimes just fan the flames.
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wow i guess it starts from the top down with respect and not giving it... i was reading the last thread and was getting ready to reply and poof closed... i guess thats the easiest way to shut people up and keep the higher ups thinking things are going well... seems like that has been going on alot lately... i dont cause no trouble here and aint trying too either but to threating peope with a ban when there stating there own opion i dont thing is a good thing.. i mean come on there were no attacks i seen at all... just questions being asked but im sure this thread will get closed and i think that gio~logist and Corriewf are both bring up valid points..
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Old 06-02-2006, 01:55 AM
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They haven't even finished setting up permissions yet or finished filling the teams. There has been nothing to really report. Why announce things before they are ready? A million posts requesting more information won't get it. Not even two weeks have gone by since the announcement of the new staff structure. Certainly that is not an unreasonable amount of time to start building teams. It requires reviewing potential members, talking with them and setting things up.

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The next part is GENERAL. It isn't directed to one person in particular, just to make that clear. Those causing the problems know who they are and they will know when they read it.

The ongoing behavior on this site suggest otherwise. It seems that all some people want to do is destroy this site and vBulletin and will do everything in your power to do so. You log into chatrooms and attack Jelsoft employees for fun. You do the same to the staff here for your own whims. From now on, it will result in bans. It is stated in the rules, whether you read them or not. The staff have been very lenient but now they are backed into a corner. All this does is contribute to a negative situation which people say they want to resolve. It isn't helping. All it does it make people defensive and quite literally develop a great dislike if not hatred for the people causing the problems. No one here wants to ban people. We truly don't. However if that is what it comes to then it must. People simply can't expect their hundredth warning and a slap on the wrist.

Quite frankly, everytime people cause this crap I have to think hard on whether it would be simply easier to delete the whole site and start from scratch or simply allow commercial addons without the need for this site. However people do rely on the site for their own forums and it is a great resource. People need to stop causing problems simply to do so. It doesn't help anyone in the long run.

Really, you want the staff to be more forthcoming instead of armed to the teeth and sitting in their foxhole, then you need to extend a branch and drop the stupid schoolyard antics and petty fights. It is as simple as that. Sarcastic quips hurt and they are attacks and they should not be tolerated. Don't you remember what your parents taught you? It is probably the most important thing they taught you in your life...

TREAT OTHERS HOW YOU WISH TO BE TREATED.

Want to be treated badly then treat others badly. That is how it works. Want people to accept you and treat you with respect, then do so as well. The last few weeks on this site many have not had any respect but think they deserve it in return. It isn't going to happen. You will be treated like what you are, a spoiled customer who is more trouble than worth.

This isn't the way it has to be and you know it. You want change on the forums, the start it. Want to be treated differently, then start treating others differently. Bring what you want to the table and it will spread.
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