US, UK and Spain opt to use force rather than the UN route - How obese...

[Velocd]

I'm an avid watcher of such political shows as the O?rielly Factor and Hannity & Colmes, and hold opinions that can best be described as.. more conservative, very little liberal, but with the the current status of the war as of today after the address by President Bush, there is much that can be concluded. The UN and their influence is over, they've proven to be incompatible with just about all our decisions and needs, so they can return back home and play croquet for all that matters. France seems to be a large moral enemy to many Americans right now, with the fact that according to a poll from Foxnews.com, over 96% out of more than one million pollsters voted that they supported a U.S. boycott against France. If you listened to O'reilly today, you'd know that he quite despises many of the French policies, and will learn in greater depth why the U.S. is so opposed to them right now for declining to help us. Saying this, I wont go further into the France dilemma.

More than likely the U.S. within days are going to begin the invasion into Iraq, as many liberals and anti-war protestors have feared so for months. I personally think this conflict will be over within a month, if not less presumed by some politicians on news (1 week some say). Saddam is more than likely to fear for his life when the invasion takes place and escape the country being exiled, as the President today has asked him so. I'll shut up now since I've gone into this stuff enough on my own forum.

It's good to have some political debates once in awhile on this forum though

[Chris M]

Hehe...Indeed it is...

How can we solve this issue peacefully?

I believe that France and Germany had the perfect solution - Make the UN Weapon Inspectors make Iraq destroy all their weapons...

I might like to add, that who was it that sold Iraq the weapons in the first place? The US...

It seems that America's idiocy in selling Iraq weapons to fight Iran was wrong

Satan

[Dean C]

Haha the UN weapons inspectors have no authority. We had to force saadam to allows inspectors in, we had to force him to declare certain things, he didn't declare many of his weapons. The inspectors can't do anything. It is only the brute force of troops that can sort this shambles of a regime out. I'd love to talk to an iraqi person about this...

- miS

[DrkFusion]

Let me teach you guys something The 'littleuns' and some of the 'biguns' do not understand how this will work.

Let me take you through the steps.
You guys think now since Blair and Bush have got what the want, and the majority of the people of each country are against it, they are stupid. Well sure they are stupid, but if they know it will hurt their political future, I am sure they would not start it.

Another note, Bush can't step back, due to sense of pride and dignity, same with Blair. They stepped into something, and if they backup, there never going to get voted again. Now here is how I see it will work.

1. They will attack Iraq
2. They will help rebuild Iraq, settle a full military operation there
3. Show how much Iraq has benifited from this
4. Prove to the citizens of their countries how what they did was right
5. Try so hard to do good, by helping out countries
6. Sit in hope to get voted again

Those are the steps, both what I think will happen. There is no point is bashing the leaders of the countries, they got what the wanted, we just have to see what happense. At the end of this "operation liberation of Iraq" is over, the Propoganda steps in.

Now at the moment we cannot do anything.

Bright side to this, if US wins, gas prices will go down, Iraqis will have a more peaceful and democratic land, and there will be a sense of security to many people. Even the surrounding middle-eastern countries have took a stand. (Israel).

Now what is my opinion? I got to admit my opinion is clouded by propoganda, but from past historical events, I think what I am about to say is right.

Iraqis deserve better, thousands of thousands of Iraqis die in that country due to lack of interest from the government, lack of food, clean water, now some blame America for this, because they stopped the providing of humanitical support, but wouldn't you say its the leader of the country who must look out for his people? There are many sick children from malnutrition, over 80% of the population live in poverty, they have no rights, but Sadaam supposodly says there are rights and holds "Show" elections, where he some how gets 100% of the votes. I think to get rid of this government that Sadaam has running, will mean better for the Iraqis, without a Dictatorship in that country, outer countries are able to provide support, and gain support in many ways (Resources), they can make thousands of new jobs, establish healty trading relations. With healthy trading comes, healthy living and much more plus sides. Sure U.S is interested in oil-, but you have to face historical facts, and base your opinion on them.

Also another note, no matter the size of the U.S army, I think the Iraq army has learned from the past 'mini-war', and Iraq's confidence does really seem wierd looking at the fact of U.S Army size. From this, I think the U.S and Allied forces must get the job done immediatly, before they suffer great losses.

[dotagious]

Today at 02:48 PM hellsatan said this in Post #12
Hehe...Indeed it is...

How can we solve this issue peacefully?

I believe that France and Germany had the perfect solution - Make the UN Weapon Inspectors make Iraq destroy all their weapons...

I might like to add, that who was it that sold Iraq the weapons in the first place? The US...

It seems that America's idiocy in selling Iraq weapons to fight Iran was wrong

Satan

Your warped perspective of the past is extremely disturbing. Could you please list for me what weapons the United States sold to Iraqi? I mean, you must know if you can so firmly say we did. I can make you a small list right now of previous sales and current interests involving Germany, France, and Iraqi.

Let?s start with?. hrm?. The NUCLEAR REACTOR France sold to them. You should also take a look at the raw numbers?. like how many billions of dollars Iraqi owes Russia, the endless list of military equipment France sold to them including the Mirage jet fighter, and overwhelming percentage of OIL they both DEPEND on from Iraqi.

You sir are a victim of propaganda.

[Boofo]

You guys say we can settle this peacefully. By forcing Iraq to get rid of the WOMD? How? All they have to do (and have done so far) is keep moving them ahead of where the inspectors are at or not allow the inspectors into certain areas (which has also happened many times). I don't know about anyone else, but one Sept. 11th was already too much, we don't need another one while we sit and wait for Iraq to comply. I do believe that we should always try to settle our problems peacefully, but when that fails there is no other choice but to use force. There will be a lot more good come out of all of this than there will be bad, no matter how it goes. I'm sure if Russia and France had had their own Sept. 11th, this would all be mute right now. And think about this, who is the father of the President of the US? As the former head of the CIA, can you expect any less of him? Like it or not, the CIA knows a lot more about what is really going on than the average American does. It's easy to sit back and holler "make love not war" when there is no immediate threat to your way of life. Have that threat, and the song they sing changes very quickly.

'Nuff said.

[Link14716]

I'm all for this inevitable war. There really isn't anyway to resolve this peacefully. If there was a way to resolve this peacefully, then it would already be resolved and we wouldn't be talking about it right now.

[DrkFusion]

But isn't is suspecious how Sadaam has stated that he will fight the U.S and win?

He must of learned, no leader is such an idiot, I am guessing he really has something planned that will take hundreds of thousands of lives. I just have this feeling.

[DrkFusion]

Also about the weapons case, I believe there is information out there that U.S had given Iraq warheads, and other weapons to attack Iran. Many people have said this, I know I have read articles on this, but till I can be sure do not take my word on it.

[Boofo]

Today at 09:19 PM Keptic said this in Post #18
But isn't is suspecious how Sadaam has stated that he will fight the U.S and win?

He must of learned, no leader is such an idiot, I am guessing he really has something planned that will take hundreds of thousands of lives. I just have this feeling.

Think about that. What would you do if someone bigger, badder and stronger said to you "get ready, we are going to fight"? When you have no choice and you want to hold on to what you have forcefully taken for some many years, then you get in there an scrap it out with the best of them. If he turns and runs now, he will never have another chance to hold on to the power he has over his country and he knows that. I don't know how many people remember Libya when he was our Saddam (a fly that needed to be swatted). He said the same things and acted the same way until we went over there and set him straight. he may have whined and belly-ached about America after that but he wasn't the pest he used to be then.