Scammers break vB coders reputation...

[lasto]

Paypal does NOT work with disputes esp if they involve Tangible/Virtual Goods.You will most certainly lose your money if the other side says they have delivered on their side.

Originally Posted by Dismounted

Because it is not the focus of this site. vBulletin.org's primary objective is to encourage the sharing of modifications and ideas.

Not to be argumentative, but I don't think 99% of the sites running iTrader are focused around classifieds. I use iTrader, and the primary objective of my website is the discussion of guitars and music. I run iTrader as an added convenience in my classifieds area to protect my memberbase.

[Acers]

Originally Posted by nexialys

imagine the impact, you just read a thread among a lot of threads... on my side, i work on parenting forums all the time, and on other kind of sites too, and most of the admins i know are knot in rings or communities, and when one of them is scammed by "Scammer Not Polite", the information is spread largely... jut one event can be multiplied by 100 if the person post in public groups... and that's something i have seen a lot... i also seen a lot of the opposite, found my name and some others in these rings as a good person which we can discuss with a lot...

everything is possible... but changing the format here was debated so much times... each time we hear from a scammer or a coder who try to advertise his work, we start a new run... and it close as soon as a concensus is made...

While i agree nexia with most of the things, but i think its a bit unfair if the coders are blamed all the time also. Many clients that come here are an impatient lot. How many people who code are actually full time coders? Not many and most of the time the people who request service will expect the product delivered in a couple of days. Unless its your full time job, you can sometimes exceed your deadlines. Then the requests keep changing in the middle of the project(not everyone does it but quite a few do) If you refuse, you have a -ve rep coming. Now fact of life is that you usually won't get the +ve feedback always posted but if someone is unhappy he will be sure to post it(prime example is the web hosting business).
I think if you are talking here as a community, then realize that there might not be full time coders around, only those who do it when they have the time to code or when they want to code. Most of the people would be running their own websites, doing a day job and sometimes coding.
If you are looking for professional coders, full time ones, there are indeed plenty of freelance websites around. However then you are also restricting yourself to be answered by a few who will be a lot busier. It should be the clients responsibility to select the best deal he gets. Anywhere he gets it.

Originally Posted by Dismounted

Because it is not the focus of this site. vBulletin.org's primary objective is to encourage the sharing of modifications and ideas.

Well that might indeed be true and thats great, but if you allow a user feedback in the paid requests(where the client can post a feedback on the work done) then in my opinion you can also allow those opinions to be posted in a central location where its easier to see them for the future clients if they select that coder/(or the other way round, that client's feedback to be seen by the coder). At the end of the day you do ask clients to search for the coder and his rep before you select him. Won't it be better to make the job easier by having the feedback(whoever does leave it) to be at a central place rather than user doing a forum search which might not reveal all the feedback(or any!). Such feedback display can be limited to certain sections only or only in the user profile. Just my opinion.

[lasto]

all feedback etc from the coder and the client should be in the same thread in the request section.No use of the PM system or Chat programs as this allows it to be taken off board and offers no protection to the client or the coder.Should anything go wrong then there is a record of both parties agreement.
Also it allows for both parties to come to a mutual agreement should anything go wrong as the thread can be reported and then the mods intervene to find the best solution to the problem..

Originally Posted by client X

Well Still no resolution, [...] As of right now I will not be accepting anymore helps from anyoneon here, Ijust do not want to get screwed again.

This was posted this morning... in the paid requests, somewhere... -- i will not link because the coder involved have no reason to appear in this thread... i'm not talking about the coder itself here, i do not care... what i care is the person who will not come here again for the jobs to be done because of the lack of security in the system... you needed some proofs, you have some... and i did not ask for it.

[Princeton]

right now, closing the forum should not be an option (we cannot punish the mass just because of a few bad apples)

• a lot of the "members" who are scammed do not even use the forum
• a lot of the "members" who use the forum do not even leave a feedback
• buyers need to be educated (it really is that simple)
• it works both ways
  • coders get scammed; buyers get scammed
  • coder doesn't do their research on "buyer"
  • buyer doesn't do their research on "coder"

again, you will inevitably get scammed if you do not do your research - would you give your car keys to a stranger?

With that said the best option would be to open a vbulletin.org sister site.

Originally Posted by Princeton

With that said the best option would be to open a vbulletin.org sister site.

see, i'm right from the start... lol... some guys here told me that it was not a topic to be discussed on vb.org, and now YOU are telling the same thing... you will be warned for sure.. lol

Originally Posted by Princeton

right now, closing the forum should not be an option (we cannot punish the mass just because of a few bad apples)

• a lot of the "members" who are scammed do not even use the forum
• a lot of the "members" who use the forum do not even leave a feedback
• buyers need to be educated (it really is that simple)
• it works both ways
  • coders get scammed; buyers get scammed
  • coder doesn't do their research on "buyer"
  • buyer doesn't do their research on "coder"

again, you will inevitably get scammed if you do not do your research - would you give your car keys to a stranger?

Then it should be easier for both parties to do their research.

[AlphaMale85]

There should probably be a mod installed that all positive and negative feedback goes in a section of a user's profile.

[b00k]

Seems at times that the staff are not interested in helping the people being wronged.
I can list one scammer who's really Popular around here and thats the problem, he is still here scamming people.
New threads pop all the time about him and nothing is being done.

After all the scams going on, i think more people will start using services like odesk.com . The average Joe has no idea who to trust around here.

An itrader system would be perfect, the only way people know if someone is a scammer is to read the threads in the requested services.

If you get scammed, take your complaint off site and post it on scam.com , at least people are listening and talking about it there. A search of vbulletin over there will show you that people are getting scammed here.