Scammers break vB coders reputation...
 

In the last weeks, may i say months, i was faced with 17 clients on this site that were requesting paid services on the site.. these guys supposely accepted some other coders offers before mine because i always charge a higher rate and i do not ask to be paid before the code is provided in case i can't provide it... this is my security for the clients themselves... if i can't do it, i'm not paid.

these clients, in most case were back at me after 2 or 3 weeks asking me if i was able to answer their request because the first offer scammed them or abandonned them without any news... i was not available anymore due to a long term contract, but hey, they came back with feedback at least.

the problem with that is that again, some scammers are acting on this site, and nobody is protected, and usually, as it's a long period of time between the task taken and the scam appear, the guy is safe... and a lot of clients instead of updating their situations are just quitting the place and go search for coders in other places like sitepoint.com ...

this place is going down in the case of Paid Requests... mainly because of 2 or 3 scammers that always show their nose just when they are attacked... they are silent for months for their clients, but when someone talk about them, they show up, telling the more incredible stories...

so i would suggest something:

instead of banning these scammers, CLOSE the forum #30 ... Paid Services

let someone open a real professional site for services and more... or better, give the approval to become the vbulletin.net .... the "net" would mean "commercial on the net" for sure!

... scammers are always here, making profit on our back... because most of the time, people will cease asking here because they are ignored, abandonned or scammed... how many were giving feedback to tell they were happy of the services... most of them never come back...

Now I see my post has been removed, care to share why? I was expressing my feelings, I haven't insulted anyone. I'm sorry, I just hate to see people getting scammed, it's not fair!

Regards Jason :)

Nexialys, you are a programmer and I'm sure you may have been on the opposite end of the stick (a client scamming a coder).

This is not a one sided debate here and it's a complex issue to handle (specifically in regards to individual complaints).

If you think that the staff here hasn't been acting on complaints, then you are sadly mistaken. Have you ever thought that maybe we do not publicize everyone who is banned here?

Everyone needs to understand that we are addressing this issue as best as we can and are still discussing what the best policy should be in regards to service requests.

At the end of the day, however, it's going to have the be the client who must be educated in making an informed decision on who to hire regardless of where the transaction is being made.

I hate to see people getting scammed too, but I also hate to see people making arguments when they don't know the full side of the story. Your reason is in the deleted post. :)

Closing it would be sad, because there are legit coders out there -- who really do want to help!

Regards Jason :)

Hum, Danny, i'm not talking about the administration not making a thing... i know you are acting on these scammers when you can... not always easy to ban someone just because of one member complaining about bad service...

this is actually why i think this service have to be dropped... it was first intended to answer some people requesting professional jobs, but the more we see, the more we count scammers in our ranks, and even if you act on it, it is not your main focus,... you can't play the police all the time...

my solution is not to put the fault on your shoulders but instead to clear your shoulders of all these insinuations and accusations of non-action... if some other professional site is handling this as their main goal, i suppose there would be a more secure way to make deals for service paid... like escrow or others... but you can't filter all these paid requests via escrow, as it would break a lot of things here...

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i know a lot of vb.org coders who go at sitepoint.com to answer these paid requests... when you can help somewhere on the net, it is not complicated to open a new browser window and go help on another place...

my suggestion would be to have that kind of service tutored by the vbulletin community, instead of using sitepoint.com ...

Have you considered having a forum for Good and Bad Clients and Coders? I have a similar forum on my site and it allows users to start a thread about either a good or bad trade, provide some background and then others can see what happened and decide if they want to deal with this trader. It's been a great resource for the users on our site.

Its just the pain in the arse to go to another site and scroll through all the vBulletin requests. Atleast here they are all in one place :D

Lol, yes sorry Nexialys - most of my post wasn't intended fully for you.

Your suggestion is certainly an option....

it is a bigger pain to read someone say "vb coders are all scammers and shit" ... don't you think ?!

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i did read between the lines Danny, i'm not stubborn.. lol... i'm ok with all of what you say usually!

and i know, this is an option that was debated not long ago when the last crisis in the commercial forum discussion occured... some guys are still waiting for an answer.. :)