I bit the bullet and bought a PS3

[Bubble #5]

Originally Posted by Boofo

I have no interest in the Kinect or the Move as this stage. I'm way too old to be doing that much moving around while playing games.

I'm probably older than you and one of the reasons why I bought the Kinect was precisely so that I could use it to exercise (while not seeming like I'm doing exercise). The last thing I want to do is sit on my butt and rot away. I've played all the gaming systems at one time or another and Kinect immerses you more into the game. To each his own, but I truly feel that Kinect has the edge right now. To prove my point I'm predicting that Wii and PS3 try to copy what Kinect does down the road...

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Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Also the PS3 was (is?) the only BluRay player on the market upgradeable to things like 3D and whatever new tech comes out.

It was (past tense). Think about what you said. Do you seriously think that Sony would only make the PS3 upgradable? They make the BluRay player inside the PS3. Panasonics are also upgradable and I'm sure at this point that most major brands will follow suit soon.

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Also the PS3 was (is?) the only BluRay player on the market upgradeable to things like 3D and whatever new tech comes out.

Yes, sir, you are almost right. Since Sony was instrumental in gettting blu-ray accepted over the failed HD format, I would think they would know more about blu-ray than most others, don't you think? One of the last few firmware upgrades took care of the 3D availability for the blu-ray.

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

I'm probably older than you and one of the reasons why I bought the Kinect was precisely so that I could use it to exercise (while not seeming like I'm doing exercise). The last thing I want to do is sit on my butt and rot away. I've played all the gaming systems at one time or another and Kinect immerses you more into the game. To each his own, but I truly feel that Kinect has the edge right now. To prove my point I'm predicting that Wii and PS3 try to copy what Kinect does down the road...

If you had used your real birthdate, then we would see who is older, huh? Kinect will be a passing fad before you know it. Someone else will bring something out that is even better. Microsoft has yet to impress me with anything they are connected with.

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

It was (past tense). Think about what you said. Do you seriously think that Sony would only make the PS3 upgradable? They make the BluRay player inside the PS3. Panasonics are also upgradable and I'm sure at this point that most major brands will follow suit soon.

Panasonic has yet to make anything that will last past their one year warranty. I got burned out on anything they make a long time ago. Most brands will make the upgrades to 3D sooner or later. 3d will take a while to catch on, I think. They have a lot of bugs to work out of it first.

[Bubble #5]

Originally Posted by Boofo

Kinect will be a passing fad before you know it.

That sounds eerily the same as what the CEO of Digital Equipment once said about computers

Microsoft has yet to impress me with anything they are connected with.

For the most part I'd have to agree with you, but I love the Sync system in my new car and Kinect has worked well too, however those are the only two exceptions.

[rowedf]

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

It was (past tense). Think about what you said. Do you seriously think that Sony would only make the PS3 upgradable? They make the BluRay player inside the PS3. Panasonics are also upgradable and I'm sure at this point that most major brands will follow suit soon.

Well, what's been nice is having a blueray for 4-5 years now and only having to download free firmware that updates it to the latest technology. Just about everyone else had to buy new hardware to keep up.

Kinda how the Xbox fanboys had to buy HD DVD addons Sony certainly lost the battle 4-5 years ago to xbox and even then (very laughable now) the Wii ... but they are winning the war.

[Wreck713]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Also the PS3 was (is?) the only BluRay player on the market upgradeable to things like 3D and whatever new tech comes out.

True, but as talked about in this thread http://www.hidefninja.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6170 teh firmware for ps3 has already been out to include 3d on a ps3 but it cant pass that much bandwidth through an HDMI 1.3 cable (as opposed to 1.4) to give HD audio. So even though your ps3 can do HD 3d, its only doing regular 5.1 audio.

You'd need a 3d player if you want both... I guess the audio doesnt matter much to those without receivers capable of decoding DTS HD Master audio and Dolby TrueHD tracks.

Blu-ray is the best, but its even better with HD audio

Congrats on your purchase boofoo, the ps3 is a beast of a machine and its only getting better!

[Bubble #5]

Originally Posted by rowedf

... but they are winning the war.

Depends on the age group. As of Jan/2011 there are 9 million more XBox 360's than PS3's, and more than double Wii's than PS3's. Not sure how PS3 could be winning any war since they are in last place

Kinect has also surprised even MS. 8 million units of the Kinect sensor have been shipped as of January 6, 2011. They only projected selling 5 million. Plus 3rd party vendors are now looking into ways to use Kinect for applications other than gaming. For example; MIT has a program that allows you to use Kinect to control your browser. Not to long ago people were amazed by what they saw in the movie Minority Report, and now that same tech is being developed and coming to the real world via Kinect. Once these apps come out XBox Kinect will be in first place even if Sony was to give away a lifetime free supply of Blu-Ray movies

Originally Posted by Wreck713

So even though your ps3 can do HD 3d, its only doing regular 5.1 audio.

Good point!

5.1 is so yesterday

[Boofo]

I'd be curious to see where you are getting those stats.

[Bubble #5]

They were announced at CES 2011

You can also read about it here

Heck, even NASA is in love with Kinect

[Boofo]

I wasn't at CES 2011, so I have no idea what stats were discussed there. I don't put a whole lot of stock in stats anyway, as they are usually doctored one way or the other.

Kinect is like the iPad. It is the top of the line right now but as with the iPad, others are catching up and passing it. Microsoft got lucky for once, but you know how their luck usually goes.

Did they ever fix the problem with darker skins not working right with it?

Also, I found this interesting in the link you posted:

Reliability

In the September 2009 issue of Game Informer magazine, survey results were published in which among nearly 5000 readers who responded, 54.2% of those who owned an Xbox 360 had experienced a console failure for that system, compared with 10.6% for PlayStation 3, and 6.8% for Wii.[170]

In August 2009, warranty provider SquareTrade published console failure rate estimates, in which the proportion of its customers reporting a system failure in the first two years is 23.7% for Xbox 360, 10.0% for PlayStation 3, and 2.7% for Wii.

[Bubble #5]

Originally Posted by Boofo

I don't put a whole lot of stock in stats anyway, as they are usually doctored one way or the other.

These has all been certified and no one from either side has ever disputed them.

What I find odd is that the Wii is blowing away the PS3 in sales, and yet the Wii has the worst resolution of any gaming console, has the least amount of memory, the least options, the worst GPU, the smallest CPU, the least amount of I/O, and isn't even HDTV compatible. In-fact when you do a side by side comparison the Wii really sucks as modern gaming consoles go. Yet it's blowing the doors off of the PS3 in sales. Conclusion; Hyping a product with advertising works

Kinect is like the iPad. It is the top of the line right now but as with the iPad, others are catching up and passing it.

I know of nothing that has passed the iPad per se, but there are more generic tablets being sold cheaper, and there is no tech even close to the Kinect - so no other products to even compare it with. I think that not only is Kinect going to be a real game changer (pun intended) but it will change gaming consoles forever as Kinect is used for more things than just gaming. I wouldn't say that MS got lucky with Kinect, as they spent millions developing it. Now that they know they have a real cash cow on their hands they will be developing the next generation and this tech will be used for things we can only imagine today.

I found this interesting in the link you posted

...but wait, I though you didn't like stats

I saw those too iFixit has a bigger heatsink which seems to keep the heat issues at bay on the 360, but they try to force people to buy tools along with it so they can keep it. MS has no excuse for that many defective units. It should be closer to what the Wii offers.