vbhacks-germany.de

[Zachery]

Originally Posted by vau7

I think it doesnt matter if GPL or not - the only Thing i dont understand is the reason why you wont give your agreement.

I dont need this translation and i am not really a part of this project, but i spent some time in the past to translate your Hack for my board. What is the problem for you if somebody else would like to help some others and the hackusers dont have to do this crappy work?

I just cant understand your reasons for this behviour.

I have no issue with the translations itself, I just do not want it released outside of this site.

If you want a german translation I will see If i can provide one myself
(I am starting to learn german, and my gf is fluent in german, I'll see if she can take the time to work on it)

[vau7]

Originally Posted by Dean C

If you made a pot out of clay and painted it black and sold it, would you like it I came along and painted it green and resold it? It's called common courtesy and you don't take others work and distribute it unless you have permission

Sure, but here is nothing to sell, there are just "presents".


@Zachery: No, i dont need the german translation, i made my own at the time i needed it. I'm just wondering why you react like this.
Sometimes there are coming people together which cant understand each other

[eva01_]

i wouldn't want someone regifting things

ok now who actually got that?

[Dean C]

Originally Posted by vau7

Sure, but here is nothing to sell, there are just "presents".

They're hardly presents. They are there for people to use, not to redistribute. It's piracy if you look at it that way.

[Revan]

I might have misinterpreted some posts here, but what's the point in asking for permission if the decision will be argued till the end of time?

And as for my hack(s), they are all in one way or another using $vbphrase (although RPG isn't fully phrased yet), so when it *is* fully phrased, people are free to redistribute .xml files containing translation in every language they desire

[eva01_]

Revan you do know that they are saying distribute your entire hack (in a different language) to other sites.

that is how i am taking it

[redlabour]

Originally Posted by Dean C

redlabour - are you planning on taking everyone's modifications here, without asking them, then releasing it in german on your site?

Of course not.

We have a lot of possibilitys :

1. We ask the Coder of the Hack if we can translate and distribute it.

2. If that not works we ask only to translate and give him the Package to distribute it on vbulletin.org. We will make than a german Supportthread at vbhacks-germany.de of course.

3. In cases of GPL licensed Hacks there is no need to ask.

@Zachery - i think you are really misunderstanding the GPL. Please read it again.
Any modification and Redistribution of any Software that is based on GPL licensed Projects must be licensed under the GPL too !

@all - i think this Discussion here is basing on a complete misunderstanding of our Project :

1. We are nothing else as vbulletin.org - the only thing is - we are supporting in German and Distributing in German for the largest vBulletin Community and we are independent from vBulletin-Germany (for the Beginning !).

2. We don?t want to get your Hacks under our Names. We provide you (!) with the Service to get more Users to your (!) Hacks. Of course we are allways linking to your Site or your Original vbulletin.org Thread.

3. We are not releasing any Hacks we are not allowed to by the Coder !(Exception - GPL or any other License that is allowing it - but of course in anyway the Coder will be informed so that he can link to the German Support in his Hackthreads.).

4. Of course we are working together with vbulletin-germany and we are only starting to distributing Hacks form you or anybody else if we are connected to the License-Database. This will happen in the next few Weeks.

[Akex]

Here is a part of GPL licence :

Article 2 :

These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it.

I thought Zachery work wasn't under GPL licence. After reading this here is my question :

Is the php files wrote by Zachery can be used without the files under GPL ? I don't think so ... It seems the hack is under GPL too.

[Revan]

Originally Posted by eva01_

Revan you do know that they are saying distribute your entire hack (in a different language) to other sites.

that is how i am taking it

I know, but I am saying that while I would not like to have the hack offered on another site, .xml translations of the phrases can be offered anywhere.

A general question about the site: If it will offer support for hacks, who will give it? I mean, a hacks site can't know as much about the hack as the author, and some support questions might be "can this be done with the current hack"-ish questions...

[Dean C]

redlabour - Let me make it clear. By downloading any modifications here and posting them on your site without the authors written permission, you'll be breaking copyright laws.

Let me quote our footer:

All modifications are copyrighted to their respective owners.

That means that authors have complete copyrights of their code and any unauthorised redistribution of them is against the law and the modification owner is entitled to pursue legal action should they feel the need to.

Your arguement of the GPL license does not apply here. Zachery has intgerated vBulletin with a GPL package, using slight bits of their code. This means he still retains copyrights to it. Therefore you must get his permission to redistribute.

Thankyou for understanding