Micro-chipping

[Revan]

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

If your imagination is so limited as to not realize the implications of this, then I suggest that you either increase the dosage of your medication, or allow this technology to invade your life. Either way your horizons will soon be expanded Most rational people however are trying to protect their privacy and not take it so much for granted. Live without it and you'll soon understand.

And if you are so worried about getting unsolicited email, then I suggest that you either get a proper email client, disconnect from the Internet or power level your IQ abit.
Besides, who said anything about RFID being implanted in the items you buy? The way I heard it is that it would only be used for identification as well as a credit card.
Of course, you COULD implant chips that read your fingerprints into everything you buy and sends this information to "the government" thus letting them send you targetted ...gum advertisements (XD)... nah I can't continue this, it's just too retarded XD
Either ways, you will soon realise that nobody has been able to offer a valid point as to why the police and hackers shouldn't have access to this information.
Here in Norway there are surveillance cameras inside pretty much every store/bank/corp office, and also in major public areas where alot of illegal activites take place. I've yet to hear about anyone who cares. It always saddens me when there's some narrow minded Americans with thick Louisiana accents going "Whell, I don't care much for them fancy 'techno logi' crap. There's all them talk about 'hackers' about, an I don't want nobody seein' what I'm doin out them barn late at night!"
Humanity will never evolve if those kind of people are to decide what's to happen. New technology may not be perfect (who could ring their mates in South Africa when the phone first was invented) but it's the only way forward.

Oh, and PS: The ident theft issue could be circumvented by having the chip reading your DNA as well, as I doubt that could be faked as easily.

[AN-net]

Originally Posted by Revan

Oh, and PS: The ident theft issue could be circumvented by having the chip reading your DNA as well, as I doubt that could be faked as easily.

reading my DNA, not thats science fiction!

[Bubble #5]

Originally Posted by Revan

And if you are so worried about getting unsolicited email

Is that all you think this is all about? Looks like you read what you wanted to read, and not what was actually printed :surprised:

Besides, who said anything about RFID being implanted in the items you buy?

DOH!! What do you think the technology was initially developed for? LOL...

Some of the world's largest product manufacturers have been plotting behind closed doors since 1999 to develop and commercialize this technology. RFID tags are NOT an "improved bar code" as these companies would like you to believe. RFID technology differs from bar codes in three important ways. One of those ways is that RFID technology has the potential to harm your health. For a lot of us that's reason enough to prevent this technology.

nobody has been able to offer a valid point as to why the police and hackers shouldn't have access to this information.

Earth to Revan... Earth to Revan... where are you Revan? LOL :alien:

[karlm]

they have these cars that work by finger print, or at least the ignition does, and a few months ago appeared an article where some thugs collared the owner of such a vehicle.
They got the engine started and took him for a joyride...

After cutting his finger off and dumping him in the boot/trunk.

So, yeah - it's a great idea. But if some meathead is adament on getting your ID, they will - and if that means chopping half an arm off, they don't care. What if it's inserted at birth up your backside, inside the penile shaft, deep in the womb, 2" from the heart, etc. Then what?

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by Bubble #5

The technology could in fact lead to a sort of corporate "Big Brother," and there is a more widespread concern that allowing RFID to develop without legal restrictions, will eliminate the possibility for consumers to refuse to give such information to retailers.

It was never stipulated that implanting such a chip in a human being would or would not come attached with legal restrictions - Therefore it would be safe to assume that any sensible human being orchestrating such a plan would devise rules and regulations of use

Chris

[AN-net]

Originally Posted by Chris M

It was never stipulated that implanting such a chip in a human being would or would not come attached with legal restrictions - Therefore it would be safe to assume that any sensible human being orchestrating such a plan would devise rules and regulations of use

Chris

well here in America the problem is our government rarely follows the regulations it sets forth. aka Wire Tapping...

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by Revan

Here in Norway there are surveillance cameras inside pretty much every store/bank/corp office, and also in major public areas where alot of illegal activites take place.

Cameras are also in a lot of places here in the Netherlands. However there must be a visible sign placed before entering that area (even outside on the street) that the area is camera protected. You will always have to choice to enter or not. (exception i think for cameras that are only active in case of a violation, ie. speeding cameras)

About the RFID issue.
A lot of people forget that they already voluntarely are carrying around some sort of device that can track you down: your nice mobile phone.

[AN-net]

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

Cameras are also in a lot of places here in the Netherlands. However there must be a visible sign placed before entering that area (even outside on the street) that the area is camera protected. You will always have to choice to enter or not. (exception i think for cameras that are only active in case of a violation, ie. speeding cameras)

About the RFID issue.
A lot of people forget that they already voluntarely are carrying around some sort of device that can track you down: your nice mobile phone.

yep, thanks to god i have it set for E911 only. even though it doesnt matter because they can track me regardless

but also a cellphone can be at least turned off or discarded, an implanted RFID cant(well unless you want to carve up your body then maybe not).

[joh]

Hey guys, I have the chip. It cost me $1,400. It gets me in a few hip bars; I never stand in lines nor carry cash. I can not wait for some one to chop of my hand and steal my life if this becomes mandatory. LOL I do not have this crap, but here in NY a few clubs offer a chip that makes you a VIP. Give them your hand and they will give you a drink. Most of you want this to stop the so call crimes, as society gets advance so would the crimes.

[Bubble #5]

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

they already voluntarely are carrying around some sort of device that can track you down: your nice mobile phone.

911 only works when a call is being made, and even then the signal is routed through Canada or India. In the Bay Area for example, it's anyone's guess where a cell phone call to 911 will end up -- or how long it will take for a dispatcher to answer. Also around 15% of older cell phones don't have 911 service. The FCC has failed to mandate that all carriers use the same technology in their E911 systems, and they probably won't for a while as the carriers are fighting them tooth and nail, so we're not worried about cell phones tracking us

Also, this technology won't stop the so-called crimes, it will only shuffle them around.