Knife Crime in the United Kingdom

[WXChris]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

Is the law in the uk tough enough on criminals who wield knives and take lives?

Of course not. I've been discusted in our justice system since I was born! Bring back capital punishment, simple as.

[Shelley_c]

Originally Posted by WXChris

Of course not. I've been discusted in our justice system since I was born! Bring back capital punishment, simple as.

Yeah but what do we know. We live in the uk, experience the conditions so are we really the best people to judge how the conditions really are. Maybe we are just hallucinating that knife crime related justice is a pat on the back and a comfy stay away for a few months. The people that sit on the fence seem to think they know best. thinking statistics tell the whole truth. Maybe we have found ourselves in a statistics era where people can point down (like the lottery commercial) and state "show me the statistics".

Yup, they know best, we'll see if we hear what they have to say or remain fence bound with a pot of weather protecting coating to protect their own interests and ignore the real facts.

[students_forum]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

I think it's safe to say that knife crime was always a prominent part of united kingdoms social life long before the eastern European countries were accepted into the European Union.

People that read into the newspapers too much would not have experienced knife crime, the type that sit on the fence and want all the facts published when infact the facts are manipulated by government to suit their agenda to gain an extra term in a job which brings great benefits to them.

Then you have the people that sit on the fence and don't know anything or live in the country that is being discussed that think they know it all. Probably the people that you can compare to that mother who new her daughter was being raped as a kid but did not do anything because they never had the facts to prove it. Or had the statistics written down in black and white on a A4 document.

Anyway, Knife crime was always on the rise and I can honestly say has nothing or has a minimal amount of influence from the eastern European countries entering the EU.

The law is a shambles, criminals know they'll get away with it and if they are found guilty they can put forward some kind of insanity plea or loop hole found in many of our laws to get a soft sentence and a comfy stay in prison watching tv on that 50 inch lcd screen payed by the hard earning taxpayers.

It's that bad because government have their agendas, too many judges do not pass down the appropriate punishment and too many cowards sit on the side lines and quote documents all day because they are pure cowards.

It depends on what you aim to achieve in society as a whole?

Do you want to lock-up and punish young offenders (bearing in mind they probably have had exposure to violence as children - which brings into question how fair is it) or help them get established in society?

Those people you accuse of reading newspapers () and wanting all the facts look objectively at the bigger picture, and try to balance your need for punishment and what is beneficial for society.

Speaking of which, have you been watching the documentary on channel 4 on crime in Oxford? It was quite interesting.

[Shelley_c]

You seem to be quoting me alot. I'll indulge you though this time. Yes, absolutely. Young offenders should be tried and hanged. I believe a life for a life.

Remember the case of james bulger. 2 youngsters that took the 2 year old kid from the town centre and abused him sticking objects in his back end and leaving his mutilated body on the track. 8 years served in a luxury accommodations.

What do you propose? remember this 2 year old child dead. His family will never get him back again. Let's turn the nail on its head this happened to a family member of yours would you be more accommodating for rehabilitation these scums of the earth.

What you say sounds good on paper, in the real world it doesn't work. Again, you can have all the academic degrees in life and have absolutely no common sense.

I never watched the show on channel 4. I normally do watch alot of these shows but missed it on this occasion.

[Caddyman]

is there a lot of gun crime?

[Wayne Luke]

So I have a question...

What happens when you prosecute heavier for knife crime? Does this do anything to eliminate the motive for most crime which is poverty and lack of jobs? What happens when people switch to sticks, clubs and baseball bats? Newer laws to regulate those items? Then people will just use rocks and fists.

Somehow, there has to be a better way. When people feel they have no options and want better, as is human nature, they will resort to crime. It doesn't matter whether they have a weapon or not, they can and will resort to violence if need be.

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Originally Posted by Caddyman

is there a lot of gun crime?

In the UK? Surely you jest... You can be sentenced to prison just for looking at a gun there.

[Tim Skellett]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

.... People that read into the newspapers too much would not have experienced knife crime, the type that sit on the fence and want all the facts published when infact the facts are manipulated by government to suit their agenda to gain an extra term in a job which brings great benefits to them. ....

Just FYI:

I read the newspapers every day. I do cheat by reading them online, but I also try to actually buy newspapers when I can, solely because they need the cash (these are desperate times for good quality newspapers), and good investigative journalism relies on good newspapers, and democracy relies on good investigative journalism. Good newspapers bring us the facts and analysis; we need to be informed.

I also have a lovely big round scar on the left side of my neck, where a London native white Brit stabbed me deeply in the neck, not with a knife but with the broken-off stem of a champagne glass, and there is a lovely 4"-long scar in a line connected to that round scar, where he dragged the glass shard trying to cut my neck wide open.

I actually, believe it or not, chased him away (quite a distance, too). Quite amazing. OTOH, when I was taken to hospital, the docs could not quite believe that the idiot had (only just) managed to idiotically miss every single large artery. I bled all over everywhere; I lost an amazing amount of blood, but I survived quite well, though I looked like Frankenstein's monster for a long while with one whole side of my neck with huge bright blue nylon stitches in it in a long line (and a whole lot more invisible small stitches actually inside the huge wound). I did lose a lot of feeling in the skin of my left neck and left shoulder, because the attacker had severed several nerves, but after 5 years I regained all feeling as the peripheral nerves slowly grew back.

I also have, from two other seperate incidents, knife scars on my left arm from warding off knives. That doesn't cover everything or every scar, but hey. I really don't think you can deny my street cred.

I also have some friends who are Brit cops, and their lives are of course filled with danger. Strangely enough, at least one of them actually likes to read newspapers (and not the horrible shock-jock tabloids, either) every day when he can too. And oh BTW, he's very good at quoting documents. And getting out on the street and putting himself in danger, to serve us and to protect the public.

You know why? Because people like us care about the society and the world we live in, and we like to keep ourselves informed.

It's that bad because government have their agendas, too many judges do not pass down the appropriate punishment and too many cowards sit on the side lines and quote documents all day because they are pure cowards.

Yeah, whatever.

I've been collecting blog links to build up a good library of British blogs from lots of police people, paramedics, one magistrate so far, one criminal defence solicitor, two prosecutors, two social workers, etc.

All those bloggers care about their society. They also do things about their society in their professional jobs. They also "quote documents" all day every day, because they have to in their jobs, and for the sake of justice, and an awful lot of us believe in real justice, not just mouthing off. And they even write documents, and they blog. And then they get out and actually physically handle nasty offenders, and they put their lives on the line (and that goes for social workers too).

Strangely enough, quite a few politicians whether left or right also care about society, and they are politicians because they want to do something for society.

So maybe one ought to be one hell of a lot more careful about whom one calls cowards here.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

In the UK? Surely you jest... You can be sentenced to prison just for looking at a gun there.

Gun Crime is on the increase in the UK Wayne, Nottigham, and Manchester have at least one gun related crime daily.

Its not just adults with guns but Kids too

I agree with you also, when society breaks down, for the reasons you explain, crime seems to prevail, The seriousness depends on the situation, but one thing is for sure, Its gonna be a long time before we resolve the issues we're facing.

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Originally Posted by Tim Skellett

I also have a lovely big round scar on the left side of my neck, where a London native white Brit stabbed me deeply in the neck, not with a knife but with the broken-off stem of a champagne glass, and there is a lovely 4"-long scar in a line connected to that round scar, where he dragged the glass shard trying to cut my neck wide open.

Your so Lucky Tim, I feel embarrased that something like that could happen, But things like that don't suprise me any more.

Glad to know you made it through. what was the outcome/punishment ??

Gerry :up:

[Wayne Luke]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

Gun Crime is on the increase in the UK Wayne, Nottigham, and Manchester have at least one gun related crime daily.

Its not just adults with guns but Kids too

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

[students_forum]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

You seem to be quoting me alot. I'll indulge you though this time. Yes, absolutely. Young offenders should be tried and hanged. I believe a life for a life.

Remember the case of james bulger. 2 youngsters that took the 2 year old kid from the town centre and abused him sticking objects in his back end and leaving his mutilated body on the track. 8 years served in a luxury accommodations.

What do you propose? remember this 2 year old child dead. His family will never get him back again. Let's turn the nail on its head this happened to a family member of yours would you be more accommodating for rehabilitation these scums of the earth.

What you say sounds good on paper, in the real world it doesn't work. Again, you can have all the academic degrees in life and have absolutely no common sense.

I never watched the show on channel 4. I normally do watch alot of these shows but missed it on this occasion.

What if it soon became clear that the person didn't in fact commit the murder?
What if someone else confesed to doing it?
You would have hung him ... reminds me of the Birmingham Six.