Scammers break vB coders reputation...

Originally Posted by nexialys

it is a bigger pain to read someone say "vb coders are all scammers and shit" ... don't you think ?!

Well from your post, it sounds like you got the client in the end regardless?

So, I really don't see how an individual coder's reputation is being negatively affected. If anything, coders may have to prove more that they are serious and professional (which is hardly a bad thing, no?).

It's the client suffering in the end when they experience this.

i usually get clients due to my clean reputation on all the products i developped, not because they were scammed by someone else... and usually, i'm not their last hope... i usually refuse to serve someone who got scammed here because they usually ask to lower the charges because their money is gone... and as i'm not a freelancer, i'm not accepting all the jobs just because i need to work.

the thing is not on my side or on the side of the coders who are ok, the problem is that one scammer could bring 10 clients to go elsewhere, so we see less persons posting here, but far more, we are all tagged as scammer in the near future, because the guys how answer requests at first are the ones to be chosen... 90% scammers... because they grab some clients, scam them, take a vacation, come back 3 months later and start again...

some guys here already asked if it was possible to start a commercial site where they would have the possibility to advertise their company... the other side is also requested.. a place where clients can rate the coders... a place where we can comment and be heard if positive or negative comments are given... here, people do not read any follow up of paid requests because they are not rating the coders... we do not see any tag beside coders name to indicate that they have 10 or 1000 satisfied clients...

a lot of features would be necessary to have a good paid-request forum, and you can't make it all... you do not need to explode your brain for that...

[Brandon Sheley]

I feel ya nexialys, I'm in the same boat as you.
I also charge more then most ppl, yet I don't ask for a payment until the work is done for the same reason you have.

I haven't been around the paid request section here in some time, I didn't know it was getting bad again.

Just remember, to the clients, if it's to good to be true, it prolly is!

[SEOvB]

the paid section is out of control here, do a good job and people don't bother leaving any positive or even neutral feedback, but if you screw them over they are posting 8 times in 2 days with new information about it pretty much non-stop.

Then my recent favorite was the one who scammed someone, then had previous people post how good he was almost 6 months to a year later, and then today its another "he scammed me post" quality entertainment.

I dont think the forum should be done away with as people need a place to find coders related to vBulletin and this is the best place for that. However without a better feedback system then yea its pretty useless.

[Boofo]

I have to agree with Nexia. This was a sore point a long time ago and doesn't seem to have gotten better. I never did think the paid request area was a good idea and mostly because of what Nexia wrote about. Too hard to police and make everyone happy. And also a playground for unscrupulous opportunists.

Please keep specific cases out of this discussion.

I'm going to say this once: the staff are the only members who can completely verify a member's status on this forum. Please don't make accusations unless you know all the details - and in some cases you won't ever have all the details.

Now please keep the topic on the Paid Requests Forum.

[G0F0RBR0KE]

I have an idea on how to improve the system. However, it's up to the vBulletin.org to add it or not.

The way it'll work is to have a new .php page. Who knows, maybe vbcoder.php or vbdesigner.php

How will the system work?

When a user is looking for a coder and/or designer, he'll have to submit a ticket. Those who applied will have the privilege to reply to his/her thread. However, those who didn't apply to be part of the vb coder or vb designer team wont' be able to read their thread. All they can do is create and view their own thread and hope to get someone work on their project.

Of course, when it comes to those who agree to do the work and the client isn't happy because he/she is now ignoring will be remove from the list and he/she will never able to help those who are willing to pay.

This is just an idea. ^^

[SEOvB]

I dont think that will work. How and who will figure out who is on this "team".

What is to be done, if someone completes the work, and no matter what the customer isn't satisified or they just want to leave a negative "feedback" then that coder can't do anything about it. After one comment are they removed from the "team", or are the left there?

Still requires to much moderation. A simple feedback system like itrader where + or - feedback is left, and a short comment. Then the coder will have a chance to reply to the feedback. But no matter what if there is more - comments then + comments no one will use that coder and they'll be little moderation needed of such a system

[G0F0RBR0KE]

Originally Posted by FRDS

I dont think that will work. How and who will figure out who is on this "team".

What is to be done, if someone completes the work, and no matter what the customer isn't satisified or they just want to leave a negative "feedback" then that coder can't do anything about it. After one comment are they removed from the "team", or are the left there?

Still requires to much moderation. A simple feedback system like itrader where + or - feedback is left, and a short comment. Then the coder will have a chance to reply to the feedback. But no matter what if there is more - comments then + comments no one will use that coder and they'll be little moderation needed of such a system

How will they find out? As I stated again, only those who applied will be able to post. Those who aren't part of the team won't be able too. If the customer isn't satisfy, they won't be remove from the team since he/she did the work. If he/she didn't work at it, he/she will be removed.

the only way the clients will ever rate or rep the coders (and the opposite too, the coder can rate and rep the client)... is when we force people to pass thru an official channel like Escrow... "once you rate this coder's work, you will receive the official code"... "once you rate this client, you will be paid"...

this can't be done here!