Scammers break vB coders reputation...

[Jase2]

The guy who wrote the hack runs a very successful forum, so I doubt he'd out his own forums at risk. Of course, that doesn't mean there's no faults and he's a brilliant coder. But surely it would of been removed if it was potentially dangerous?

so just this point make iTrader useless.. you can ask your friends to rate you.

Well, you can basically do that with any system, really. Same as eBay. But, it's better than nothing.

oh, and Jase2, you can shut it up with the "you are not a moderator here so... blah blah"... this forum is about ideas and discussions, not about my raking here... which will always be higher than yours anyway.

[Digital Jedi]

You guys sure to like to let your emotions get in the way of discussion. Anyway...

Nexialys, each of the points you've made can essentially be made about eBay's rating system. I can get my friends to rate me there as a good trader too. It's all opinion as to whether service was delivered satisfactory or not. And not everyone is going to rate me; good or bad. Those points alone don't discredit the essential value of eBay's rating system.

Originally Posted by nexialys

1- friends can rate anybody... there is no record system that implement itrader rating only for real clients that paid... on sites where Escrow is working, only clients that are into a process inside Escrow can rate coders. so just this point make iTrader useless.. you can ask your friends to rate you.

There's just one fundamental flaw in your logic there. Unless I've got a massive amount of friends who happen to be vBulletin license owners, this is not going to majorly tip positive ratings in my favor. Unless, of course, you were thinking that iTrader didn't have usergroup permissions.

2- rating in these systems is based on opinions, not real facts... who can say with iTrader that the code is following vB protocol and is well written?! most clients do not even know what was installed in their site. they do not know if the coder have put a backdoor code or something, because the clients do not know vB code... and nobody can verify the work done.

And this changes because we don't use iTrader? This is a potential danger right now, with no type of rating system to speak of. Only now, the only way we'd know about it is if the affected user posts a thread about the person, and no one's checking threads for reputability. At least with rating system, any red flags can be chronicled and explained. A flawed early warning system is better then no early warning system at all.

3- rating coders by their contracts... already 90% of the clients in the paid services are not coming back when they have bad experience, so the bad coders would not be rated negatively anyway... same for positive ratings... most of the clients not coming back because they are satisfied and were coming on vb.org just for asking, not for discussions, so they do not care.

Now, see, I have a problem understanding this one. How could you possible know that? I forget what they call that kind of argument, but your basically saying that they won't use a rating system based on how they don't use the non-existent system we have now.

[King Kovifor]

Originally Posted by Jase2

I'm sorry, but I do not see that has a valid argument. For one, you're not a moderator so you have no say what is implemented here. Second, why isn't it a good solution for this site? What's so different about it? I personally think it would be a good solution.

As a member, every opinion counts. Yes, it is ultimately up to the administrators of the staff to make these types of decisions on what is implemented, the users provide the suggestions. Nex's opinion was that iTrader was not a good solution to that, and that is perfectly fine.

Also, please do not go around telling members that they have no say in anything.

[Paul M]

iTrader has been discussed before. Its not going to be installed so there is nothing to be gained by people arguing or getting worked up about it.

[Digital Jedi]

I was just discussing it's merits, myself. For the record, I don't get worked up. Unless it involves Halle Berry, but that's not why you called...

[Jase2]

Originally Posted by King Kovifor

As a member, every opinion counts. Yes, it is ultimately up to the administrators of the staff to make these types of decisions on what is implemented, the users provide the suggestions. Nex's opinion was that iTrader was not a good solution to that, and that is perfectly fine.

Also, please do not go around telling members that they have no say in anything.

I agree, every opinion counts. I have not said anyone doesn't have a say, so don't put words in my mouth. An infraction? Absolutely ridiculous, I've had enough of this. I assume Nex has received one too? He's always rattling on how he's higher ranked than me. Likewise, I aren't the slightest bothered, I'll leave you lot in peace, but drop another note to Ashley.

[King Kovifor]

Originally Posted by Jase2

I agree, every opinion counts. I have not said anyone doesn't have a say, so don't put words in my mouth. An infraction? Absolutely ridiculous, I've had enough of this. I assume Nex has received one too? He's always rattling on how he's higher ranked than me. Likewise, I aren't the slightest bothered, I'll leave you lot in peace, but drop another note to Ashley.

Staff decisions / actions are not talked about in public. As Paul said there is no reason to debate, this thread is closed.