Poll: Should .org have a section for paid add-ons?

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

you're right, so it shouldn't be so hard to add commercial hacks.what is your relationship with them right now? how would it change? and why would that change be bad? Instead of thinking of reasons/excuses you don't like the proposal try thinking of reasons to resolve them. The one's you posted are already issues you have with free hacks. Why don't you just stop hosting free hacks as well and only have a link directory?

I think it'd be worse to link your users to another site where you have no control of support, payments, content, copy hacks, quality, etc. You'll also begin to split up the market in which vbulletin.org is pretty much the only legitimate player. Some other concerns I have are that if a user has a problem and the coder won't help them then they're left out to dry. Are you going to get involved then and try to moderate on other sites to see if what the user is saying is true? Are you going to remove those links from the link directory? how will you know if there's a problem if the site admin has deleted all traces of it?

How I see it, hosting them here solves a lot of problems but it just creates a lot more work.

You misunderstand - You asked about implementing some kind of system for security issues...

I said "We already have one in place for free hacks", meaning that we have a system of detecting and sorting out free hacks with security issues...

Add commercial hacks to the mix brings up many avenues of difficulty when commercial hacks are hosted from this site...

Chris

[SuperFly]

Originally Posted by Ski-Whiz

Do that, and I think Invision will be the better option... I know I honestly would probably jump ship and go there.

There are TOO MANY hacks that are coded terribly, and there are too many variables to deal with.

Like support... What if the coder stops supporting it etc..

Sounds like you already have......

So what if they stop giving support, they have lives too, remember its a forum not your life. Sure its a CONVENIENCE to help us fix the problems that WE caused, but thats just it a CONVENIENCE. And if youi think the hacks are coded poorly id like to see you do better.

[The Geek]

There are too many poorly coded and supported hacks because 99.9999% of the people that install here do not give anything to the creator - hence little reason for many professional end coders to do anything.

Offer a solution for commercial modifications and you are going to see a lot more professional enhancments out there.

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by The Geek

There are too many poorly coded and supported hacks because 99.9999% of the people that install here do not give anything to the creator - hence little reason for many professional end coders to do anything.

So money makes a difference in how well you code or support your product? I have to disagree as they are many well-coded and well-supported free hacks right here on the org.

Originally Posted by The Geek

Offer a solution for commercial modifications and you are going to see a lot more professional enhancments out there.

And you will also see an increase in shoddy coding and non-existant support.

[EasyTarget]

Originally Posted by Boofo

Hosting them here would cause a lot more problems than it would solve.

what problems? you guys keep saying that but never list any problems. From what I can tell it will create more work but not really new problems.

And you will also see an increase in shoddy coding and non-existant support.

I agree. I've seen many coders already say they have well paying jobs already and this is just a side thing. So unless they're making enough $$ to surpass their current job I don't think you'll be seeing more/better support. There's still only 24 hours in a day. Adding $$ will encourage novice coders to throw their hat in the ring for a piece of the pie, which could be a good thing as much as a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Chris M

Add commercial hacks to the mix brings up many avenues of difficulty when commercial hacks are hosted from this site

what are they? why not address the difficulties?

Since you're a coder I'm sure you'd rather have a link directory because its going to be bringing traffic to your personal site, but why is that a good thing for vb.org or this community?

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by EasyTarget

what problems? you guys keep saying that but never list any problems. From what I can tell it will create more work but not really new problems.I agree. I've seen many coders already say they have well paying jobs already and this is just a side thing. So unless they're making enough $$ to surpass their current job I don't think you'll be seeing more/better support. There's still only 24 hours in a day. Adding $$ will encourage novice coders to throw their hat in the ring for a piece of the pie, which could be a good thing as much as a bad thing.what are they? why not address the difficulties?

Since you're a coder I'm sure you'd rather have a link directory because its going to be bringing traffic to your personal site, but why is that a good thing for vb.org or this community?

No - Assuming that I as a coder want a Links Directory is absurd...

As a Coder, if one were made I would probably put my link there and pay for the privelige, however, I do not need to do it nor will I have temper tantrums and jibes at the Staff for not succombing to my wants and needs...

I, as a Community Member can see the benefits of having a Links Directory regardless of whether or not I am a Coder - I, as a Staff Member, can see the problems having such a Links Directory would cause...

The difficulties come from many things, but not limited to:

a.) The coder thinking a particular staff member is "picking on them" because they don't get on well with the particular staff member that located a Security flaw with their modification
b.) The coder being absent for an announced amount of time, and a Staff member fixing their code without their authorisation or contact to say that they could (Not that we need it, just that some people object to you trying to help them)
c.) Problems arising from us fixing the Security issue as to whether the coder can code properly and therefore potential risks such as the coder being boycotted or openly attacked by disgruntled or doubtful members

Three scenarios not having the modifications on vBulletin.org will solve

Chris

[MRGTB]

when is this vote poll scheduled to end - Date it ends?

If there is none, don't you think a end date should be put in place, otherwise if the result to add a commercial section wins when an admin just decides to end the vote poll. People are gonna complain that the Vote Poll was ended on purpose while the YES votes were leading.

You need to set an end date on this for people to see. Otherwise people are gonna view this as a rigged vote poll to suit coders who want cash for there scripts.

So Please edit the first post or something to add when this: ENDS!!!

[EasyTarget]

Originally Posted by Chris M

Assuming that I as a coder want a Links Directory is absurd...

so you don't help with that vb link directory site? sorry, I must have you confused with someone else. And even if there wasn't that evidence.. why is it absurd to assume that? I posted good reason for a coder to want a link directory, why don't you post some reasons for a coder to NOT want one?

however, I do not need to do it nor will I have temper tantrums and jibes at the Staff for not succombing to my wants and needs...

what are you talking about or referring to? does that really need to be in your post?

The difficulties come from many things, but not limited to:

a.) The coder thinking a particular staff member is "picking on them" because they don't get on well with the particular staff member that located a Security flaw with their modification
b.) The coder being absent for an announced amount of time, and a Staff member fixing their code without their authorisation or contact to say that they could (Not that we need it, just that some people object to you trying to help them)
c.) Problems arising from us fixing the Security issue as to whether the coder can code properly and therefore potential risks such as the coder being boycotted or openly attacked by disgruntled or doubtful members

Three scenarios not having the modifications on vBulletin.org will solve

all 3 of those scenarios already exist here at .org, do they not?

[Chris M]

No I am not involved with a vB Link Directory Site - I am involved with vBulletin Services.com, which aims to provide somewhere else for people to add their site to a list - This has nothing to do with my thoughts or beliefs of doing so on vBulletin.org and therefore is completely irrelevant...

I am talking about the fact that some people demand a Links Directory here and don't think about if from the point of view of others, just their own...

Those 3 scenarios occur to a certain point, however issues with Commercial hacks could bring in legal action in extreme cases, something we would rather like to avoid...

Chris

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by Gary Bolton

when is this vote poll scheduled to end - Date it ends?

If there is none, don't you think a end date should be put in place, otherwise if the result to add a commercial section wins when an admin just decides to end the vote poll. People are gonna complain that the Vote Poll was ended on purpose while the YES votes were leading.

You need to set an end date on this for people to see. Otherwise people are gonna view this as a rigged vote poll to suit coders who want cash for there scripts.

So Please edit the first post or something to add when this: ENDS!!!

I've edited the Poll to close 30 days after it started, therefore on the 13th of December...

Chris