Angry .Orgers

[Boofo]

I keep hearing all the commercial people say that they weant the hacks here because it is only fair to the users to be offered them. Fess up guys, it's not as much about the users as it is about the bucks. Plain and simple.

[eXtremeTim]

Originally Posted by Boofo

I keep hearing all the commercial people say that they weant the hacks here because it is only fair to the users to be offered them. Fess up guys, it's not as much about the users as it is about the bucks. Plain and simple.

If it was about bucks would I talk about making free stuff still. I think not. The hacks I make pay support them and my free hacks.

I mean I have over 10 hacks in the works right now of which a good deal of them are set to be free hacks. Yet I run short on time becuase of having to spend more time doing custom stuff. So by being able to sell my stuff here I will be able to spend more time doing publicly released hacks.

[Erwin]

I'm glad people can discuss this civilly. Keep up the discussion - in the end, this is a community, and a community is made up of it's members - so it's important that we let our views be known.

[Christine]

Originally Posted by eXtremeTim

If I had to pay a price to vb.org I would proble not offer them here or else I would more then likely have charge more.

And the bottom line comes out.

Some of us code and support the community because we want to give back. Others are in it for other reasons.

Sorry, Tim -- but the whole thought of using someone else's bandwidth and disk space to freely promote your for-profit enterprise just doesn't mesh.

[Boofo]

Too bad we can't get more of the newer memebers to get involved with this discussion. It will ultimately affect them the most.

[Boofo]

Originally Posted by Christine

And the bottom line comes out.

Some of us code and support the community because we want to give back. Others are in it for other reasons.

Sorry, Tim -- but the whole thought of using someone else's bandwidth and disk space to freely promote your for-profit enterprise just doesn't mesh.

THANK YOU, Christine. You are an Angel.

[eXtremeTim]

Originally Posted by Christine

And the bottom line comes out.

Some of us code and support the community because we want to give back. Others are in it for other reasons.

Sorry, Tim -- but the whole thought of using someone else's bandwidth and disk space to freely promote your for-profit enterprise just doesn't mesh.

Okay listen here.

I spend over 20 hours a week helping new coders learn what there doing here on vb.org via msn and aim.

I spend at least 30 hours a week coding on my hacks.

I spend another 10+ hours supporting my hacks and others.

I give a hell of alot back to the community.

Being able to sell the few mods that I do sell. Helps me support my free hacks better. Would you rather I not release and free hacks becuase people resent me for releasing pay hacks.

I guess my time spent helping users above and beyond what most expect out of a coder is stupid then huh. Becuase oh boy I can talk about what im planning hack wise becuase its gonna be pay wow that just means less feedback on it.

Less features for others to use.

I am working on comercial grade products here that will be bigger then vbulletin itself.

I am sorry if you feel they should be released free but there is no way in hell a product that im putting that much time into thats designed to make people money will be released for free.

I mean the statement you quoted was intended for this context as follows.

Say I have a nice hack and im selling it for 10-15 bucks. Yet I have to pay vb 5-10 bucks or what ever they charge then basicly im paying vb to sell the hack then. Thats why the price would have to change.

Lets see 10 - 10 = 0. That math doesnt work for me im sorry.

[KW802]

Originally Posted by Boofo

So instead of paying a small price to advertise and bring in customers....

Please provide the link where I can pay to advertise on vB.com & vB.org.... I'll sign up today.

[vBintense]

With the current title I am sure many will bypass it as just another drama thread that is going to meet the closing end.

But perhaps their bottom line is the $, if so more power to them but in turn they need to give something to get something I believe.

I am shocked my solution (compromise) was so quickly eluded, I mean if this is to be best for the ‘community’ it should be paid to the community, perhaps I am wrong.

If they want to promote those who would intend such promotions of their paid work (business) need to offer up some compromise, that is life after all.

[cinq]

Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

As far as the original post, if anyone is attacked on this site because they offer commercial scripts in their signature or a previously free script is now commercial, the people doing the attacking should be banned per the forum rules. This would include through PMs and the forums Send Email functionality.

There are even people attacking hack authors even when hacks aren't even commercial.