World Wide Messenger Integration

[Bryan Ex]

Originally Posted by Logician

Yes I understand your point very well. But the reservation at the point is that when you allow free integration hacks to commercial scripts, some people tend to use it as a promotional tool to advertise their commercial script via the thread which is cloaked as a free integration hack.

Would this not be easily prevented by having a simple nomination process in place? For example, five registered vB owners must request, vote, or click on a link for a script or company be added to the commercial "exclusion list" along side PhotoPost (which is not a "list" with only one option to choose from btw). Basically what I'm saying is let's set up a way that those scripts and/or integrations that are in demand are serviced fairly for all involved.

[Jafo232]

I guess I can understand the point on not selling hacks. I just think integrations that are free should be considered separate. I think a piece of software that is stand alone, puts out a mod to integrate with VB, then it should not be considered a commercial hack as long as the integration hack itself is free, and the software in question is indeed stand alone.

It would seem to me, that it would be in Jelsoft's best interest to encourage developers to integrate their software with VB. It creates a fine selling point for both while at the same time adding to the flexibility of VB.

[Jafo232]

Yeah, I would like to know too.

[T3MEDIA]

Originally Posted by Jafo232

Well now that I read what you guys are saying it makes sense. I am not charging for the hack itself. As far as not being able to use the hack unless you pay for the software, that is the case with all of the VB hacks, you cannot use them unless you purchase VB right?

I actually Jumped up and clapped my hands when I read this.
Sometimes people are just lonely I guess.
awsome response.

[websissy]

I bought World Wide's Messenger for use with vBulletin a couple of years ago while 3.0 was still in early beta. Back then the difference between the two products was quite stunning. World Wide's Messenger was limited and fairly inflexible and not very user friendly. Meanwhile, vB was extremely flexible and friendly and very configurable, and very impressive. More importantly, when I asked WW about vbulletin integration and encouraged them to consider it, they basically blew me off and I was told they had no interest in supporting vBulletin or integrating with it. The truth is they were pretty arrogant about the whole thing at the time and I remember feeling pretty insulted by their attitude.

Later, I discovered Hivemail and for my money it was (and is) a vastly better email product. Its vB integration is very complete and it's a much nicer and more elegant overall job than what I saw with World Wide's Messenger back then. So I dumped WW's solution and installed Hivemail instead. Frankly, I haven't regretted that decision for a second and wouldn't dump Hivemail and go back to World Wide Messenger on a bet today.

I find it interesting now that WW has "seen the light". Furthermore, I admit I WAS pretty impressed with their Instant Messenger product even then. So, IMO, integrating their Instant Messenger product might well be worth considering. Perhaps I'll drop by their site and take another look.

Welcome to the vBulletin community, Jafo... I'm glad to know you've become a believer! My only wish is that you guys had listened two years ago when I tried to tell you vB 3 was gonna be a 2,000 pound gorilla very soon instead of treating me like the red-haired cousin!

Yes, I'll drop by and take a look at your World Wide Messenger hack ESPECIALLY if it also applies to your Instant Messenger. But if I need to replace Hivemail with your email in order to get your Instant Messenger product integrated too, I'm afraid I'm not going to be very interested...

Just Sign Me...
The Red-Haired Oracle! :disappointed:

Follow-up...

I did visit the World Wide Creations site (www.worldwidecreations.com) to check whether their Instant Messenger product integrates with vBulletin. According to a post there by the author of their Instant Messenger, that product does is not integrated with vBulletin because they're unable to replicate the MD5 encryption that vB uses for its passwords.

Bottom line: Their World Wide Messenger email utility integrates. Their Instant Messenger does not.

Oh well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, I suppose. It was worth a visit.

[Gio~Logist]

Is this not the same link i posted in The Lounge about a week ago?

Also, let me get this straight.... THIS HACK DOES NOT INCLUDE THE MESSENGER ITSELF?

[websissy]

Originally Posted by gio~logist

Is this not the same link i posted in The Lounge about a week ago?

Also, let me get this straight.... THIS HACK DOES NOT INCLUDE THE MESSENGER ITSELF?

I don't know about what you posted in the lounge and cannot comment about that per se. I did look through five pages of your 'recent' posts but could not find the one you referred to.

But yes, according to the starter of this thread -- and the author of World Wide Messenger, the hack does NOT include the Messenger product. The retail price of World Wide Messenger is around $60 (about 1/3 the retail price of Hivemail); but the price does vary based on their current sales and at times you can buy their entire suite of products, classifieds, Instant Messenger, World Wide Messenger and several others for less than $200 in a sale bundle.

Their products are certainly complete and they definitely do work. But I was clearly premature 2 years ago in my suggestion to them that they integrate their Messenger product with vB and offer it to this community. They obviously did it a year later... but by that point I had given up on them and was already up and running using Hivemail.