Misc/Other - vBulletin.Org Staff

[TheLastSuperman]

Originally Posted by ChloeDione

So, I have been pondering how to reply to this - my apologies in advance for any offense I cause. Whether or not I am accurate, I have no clue, but the optics on this....is another matter.

You're a great guy, so I don't mean this personally but of what has been indicated is that you are one of only two remaining on the team, for now. Yet, at the same time, just about every other person here has called VB / IB out on their turd of a choice - you are the only one here who is arguing their side / defending them.

I am not saying that it is the case, but the optics look like you're the one person staying on, and doing their bidding. They have you staying on, and the puppet masters are pulling the strings already. That is a very harsh line to say if I am wrong, so if I am I sincerely apologize but just look at the way it looks. Do they care about the position it likely leaves you in now? I think we all know that they don't. No matter whether it is accurate or not, you are now being left out there to hang because the perception is now likely worse than the reality. The way forums operate, it will be difficult to salvage a reputation out of this.

Bidding? I'm sure glad those resigning know me and know that is not the case! I joined this community to be helpful from day one and nothing has ever changed about that, I can't just leave the ORG, that would mean I'd be losing all of the people listed above AND all of you! I'm still here but don't think I may not change my mind, everyone has a right to change their mind and their opinions as they see fit.

Originally Posted by ChloeDione

You said that you didn't want this to turn into an IB / VB bash fest - what did you expect? For people to agree with the decision? People to respectfully disagree and continue to spend on licenses, support and additional software?

Like you said, you are depressed about this, which is totally understandable? The fact that everyone else is, and angry seems reasonable (for them) to be allowed to air their grievance, no? Their hurt and depression is just as (if not more) recognizable / to be recognized as anyone else.

I know that it is not my place to ask this, but you said that you simply wouldn't allow it to continue - so I guess I would ask other staff to leave it to your call. If you think my post is so out of line, remove it. If you think that I am not worthy to remain here, boot me. At this point TLS, you can be the arbitrator given that just about everyone else cannot stomach what IB is doing to VB yet you are telling everyone not to bash them. By all means, everyone can accept that it is not your or anyone else to blame on the VBorg staff.

At the same time though, please let the users who paid for this software air their displeasure at the decision. After all, it is only in defense of those of you that are admins and mods on here that everyone is so angry ; not for themselves, but for you.

I think you misunderstood, so did Omnibus by referring to my bashfest comment - Basically don't come in here saying vB4 is dead, well yeah guys we're on vB5 right now what do you expect vB4 to be, in development? Don't come in here and say vB5 sucks or is crap, that is a matter of opinion and perspective just like all of you being upset over this and while I wasn't too happy when it first hit vB5 has shown major improvements, its stable, and does a fantastic job as forum software. Being upset and venting in a constructive manner by being positive and saying thanks to those leaving for all their years of service is an entirely different story. Voice your opinion sure but try to keep it clean and focused properly is all I wanted done, to see this thread more as a farewell to those we love than something negative, hope that clarifies .

Originally Posted by ChloeDione

TLS, I have to ask you (not meaning to be flippant) but if Paul is not re-instated to the role(s) that he held previously, what other possible outcome could there be other than, "the end"?

Well that depends on what vBulletin decides next, I'm not sure what the outcome of this will be at this point. I'd love to see the ORG stay open, some new staff come in that way it doesn't die, if vb.com continues w/ the "ask on the org for customization" or similar the org will still be needed for those customers thinking outside the box.

Originally Posted by ChloeDione

It is in the love that everyone feels for all of you that some of this ill temper and grief is coming out. Because nobody thinks that it is fair the way that you have been treated. More than any money that any of us have put into the site, it is the love for you as people that has indeed hurt so many ; not because of anything that you have done but because seeing someone you care about being treated so badly is going to hurt, no matter who you are.

Aye ya I hear you there but again back to my comment above ^ where it needs to be constructive more than bashing and I was more referring to the product itself. If you look at past threads, we've always allowed opinions just not bashing.

Originally Posted by ChloeDione

Again, if I have inaccurately portrayed any of this, my apologies and if you think my post rises to the level of IB bashing that you talk of, then please do remove it / and or me if you see the need, but please, you make the call. If you think my message is out of line, then you make the call.

You did but guess what? You perceived what you thought I was thinking, we can always believe someone thinks one thing but never know until we ask, thanks for asking and I hope my replies helped you see more how I was looking at this.

Edit: Meanwhile I still continue to see Lynne, Paul, and others posting replies and being helpful, thanks for truly staying until the end!

[NumNum]

Originally Posted by In Omnibus

IB is so proud of the vBulletin product that it doesn't even appear under any of the "Our Brands" tabs on their main website.

Makes you wonder why they fund it, or for how much longer.

A clear disrespect for the staff that do such great work.

[DieselMinded]

Many good memories , thank all of you for what you have done for this community , vb got me into forums back in the day i even had a BOTM here . I've said my goodbyes to vb as i have moved on to other platforms simply based on innovation and adaption. I'll never forget this site or the people with in and RIP Peggy too!

Good Bye Everyone From - DieselMinded/fixer/Chad

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by NumNum

Makes you wonder why they fund it, or for how much longer.

A clear disrespect for the staff that do such great work.

If they're selling the vBulletin brand I would like a fair opportunity to purchase it.

I'll leave it at that.

[JacquiiDesigns]

Wow. It's not like we didn't see this coming though right?? But wow. Mind = Blown. Incredibly ridiculous decision by IB who seemingly are trying to destroy one of the greatest talking points of vBulletin the script: the vBulletin.org community.

To that end, I say RIP vBulletin

J.

[Dismounted]

I've so far kept out of this thread, as you would understand. Thought I'd chime in to say a quick "thank you" to you all for not only supporting us (the staff), but perhaps more importantly, the passion with which you speak about our community here.

I would have never imagined still being around in 2017 when I first joined in 2005. It's been a pleasure and privilege to serve the community as a member of staff - this month actually marks my 10 year anniversary as vB.org staff!

As has been mentioned by others, it wasn't an easy decision to step down, but given the circumstances, I feel that this is the right decision to make. Nonetheless, it is here where I first dipped my toes into software development and hence, vB.org has in part shaped my studies and career path. For that, I am very thankful to members of the community both past and present.

As for my modifications, I will not be taking any down. For the benefit of our members, they will remain, albeit in an unsupported state, for as long as vB.org is around. I'll also still occasionally lurk around the forum!

So long, and thanks for all the fish!
For those that are confused, this is a reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[JacquiiDesigns]

I'm afraid my original comment may have been a bit curt. I'm afraid my emotions may have gotten the better of me while I was feeling a bit dumbfounded by the announcements. What I didn't mean to leave out is this: I started my journey with forum scripts back in 2006 and vBulletin was the goto for starting online communities. It's been an interesting ride. I've received a LOT of assistance over the years from a lot of well-meaning individuals and like to think that I have offered assistance whenever I could. In this aspect - the vB.org community has been stellar and an over-all great experience.

I won't mention any names - but would just like to say this ==> A HUGE thank you to those of you who have spent your valuable, personal time in building the community, volunteering to sustain it when it seemed the new owners of the vB script didn't (and apparently still don't) have the inclination to do so themselves. Your dedication and community service have not gone unnoticed by yours truly.

Much appreciation to you guys and may your next venture(s) be satisfying and your hard work and dedication = rewarded! Cheers from Tennessee.

J.

[CAG CheechDogg]

The more I read in this thread the more bummed out I get .... really sucks !!

[In Omnibus]

Originally Posted by CAG CheechDogg

The more I read in this thread the more bummed out I get .... really sucks !!

Forum software isn't the cash cow it once was. Since all IB cares about is the cash ...

Ask not for whom the cowbell tolls. It tolls for thee.

[blind-eddie]

Originally Posted by JacquiiDesigns

I'm afraid my original comment may have been a bit curt. I'm afraid my emotions may have gotten the better of me while I was feeling a bit dumbfounded by the announcements. What I didn't mean to leave out is this: I started my journey with forum scripts back in 2006 and vBulletin was the goto for starting online communities. It's been an interesting ride. I've received a LOT of assistance over the years from a lot of well-meaning individuals and like to think that I have offered assistance whenever I could. In this aspect - the vB.org community has been stellar and an over-all great experience.

I won't mention any names - but would just like to say this ==> A HUGE thank you to those of you who have spent your valuable, personal time in building the community, volunteering to sustain it when it seemed the new owners of the vB script didn't (and apparently still don't) have the inclination to do so themselves. Your dedication and community service have not gone unnoticed by yours truly.

Much appreciation to you guys and may your next venture(s) be satisfying and your hard work and dedication = rewarded! Cheers from Tennessee.

J.

I have been at a loss for words to reply to this thread but, I think you spoke for me here, Thanks JacquiiDesigns!
It will be interesting to see what happens. God speed everyone, just incase vb.org vanishes. It has been a great experience learning the many things this community/Staff has taught me.

Tim