Why vB team didn't continue developing vb 4x?

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Replicant

The OP was talking about why features are not being added to VB4 by VB, which is why I was talking about VB4 users upgrading for features - meaning VB driving VB5 sales by not adding features to VB4. As far as the features VB5 has being based on VB4 mods, I have to agree with you there, but from what I've seen on a lot of the VB4 mods on this board are no longer being maintained by the developer since the exodus. Unfortunately for users that depend on those mod features, they either need to find someone who can fix/make it work with the current VB4 or go without OR upgrade to VB5. Again driving VB5 sales.

Trying to move the goalposts is unbecoming. You weren't addressing the OP when you asked me to clarify my statement, which I did in fact, do. Features do not drive v5 sales. "Upgrading" to 5 from 4 isn't a new license.

Pretending all this stuff is new doesn't make it so. vBulletin has never added features to prior versions once the new versions are released. Why would they?

[Replicant]

Originally Posted by ozzy47

Explain to me what is in vB5 that would make me want to upgrade?
What features are in vB5, that I can not get on this site?
What mods are available for vB4 that are not available in vB5?

in post comments for starters.

Originally Posted by ozzy47

This site was a major backbone to vBulletin, alot of people bought it due to the amount of mods that were available to customize it to their needs. But that is not the case anymore, someone in their infinite wisdom saw to that.

That's basically what I'm saying. VB4 is the best platform to be on at this point in time for stability and mods. But as time moves forward and other supporting software comes to end of life, where does that leave the mods that are no longer maintained? The users of those mods will have the choice of not upgrading from the current version they are on, upgrading to VB5 or moving to another platform. I'm not trying to throw out insults here. I'm simply making the point, eventually VB4 is going to be plain vanilla VB4 if the mods are not kept maintained with the current version. Some of you are on top of it, others not so much.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Replicant

in post comments for starters.



That's basically what I'm saying. VB4 is the best platform to be on at this point in time for stability and mods. But as time moves forward and other supporting software comes to end of life, where does that leave the mods that are no longer maintained? The users of those mods will have the choice of not upgrading from the current version they are on, upgrading to VB5 or moving to another platform. I'm not trying to throw out insults here. I'm simply making the point, eventually VB4 is going to be plain vanilla VB4 if the mods are not kept maintained with the current version. Some of you are on top of it, others not so much.

Again, nothing new. As posted before, there's still some major forums running version 2. They haven't suddenly crashed or gone away because of "end of life."

[Replicant]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

Trying to move the goalposts is unbecoming. You weren't addressing the OP when you asked me to clarify my statement, which I did in fact, do. Features do not drive v5 sales. "Upgrading" to 5 from 4 isn't a new license.

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

Pretending all this stuff is new doesn't make it so. vBulletin has never added features to prior versions once the new versions are released. Why would they?

Isn't that what I was saying?

[ozzy47]

Just because a mod is unsupported, does not mean it is going to stop working at some magical point in time.

This site is geared towards modifications. If a mod becomes unusable, and it is a popular mod, the members work together to find a fix, and provide it in tat mods thread.

If no one fixes anything, some people take to hiring someone to make fixes/changes.

Also just because vB4 is not getting any feature updates does not mean it is going to stop working either, there is site out there running vB2 and doing just fine. Why? Because they made the necessary change to the system to keep it going.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Replicant

Isn't that what I was saying?

We can pretend that too.

[KGodel]

I've made this point in other threads too, but vB4 was no gem when it was released. It took awhile for it to be a good piece of software, and for a long time people stayed with vB3, and as others have pointed out, even vB2. Some communities aren't always looking to add new things, so the perceived lack of mod maintenance isn't really an issue (others have pointed out there are always solutions).

While we may wish that IB had learned from the past, this seems to be a trend with all software these days (not just forum software) that a product is released far under expectations and slowly gets to where it needs to be. With vB5 being developed for the latest version of php, to take advantage of all it offers is a good thing, but it is lacking some things most of us consider a necessity to use. All we can do is continue to help each other on legacy version of the software and hope that IB will get vB5 to a place it needs to be. As long as there are those of us who stick it out, hopefully we will be rewarded, but our future is not at stake here. Our boards are fine and will continue to be fine. The only ones who have anything on the line are IB. If they fail to deliver on what will keep people invested in then a larger share will go to other software.

[Replicant]

Originally Posted by ozzy47

Just because a mod is unsupported, does not mean it is going to stop working at some magical point in time.

This site is geared towards modifications. If a mod becomes unusable, and it is a popular mod, the members work together to find a fix, and provide it in tat mods thread.

If no one fixes anything, some people take to hiring someone to make fixes/changes.

Also just because vB4 is not getting any feature updates does not mean it is going to stop working either, there is site out there running vB2 and doing just fine. Why? Because they made the necessary change to the system to keep it going.

No, but they do stop working on occasion like when hosts upgrade their sites and the owner of the site may not have the skills or the money to hire someone to fix it or move it, but running an upgrade script is within their grasp.

Kudos to the folks who can keep their sites up and running.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Replicant

No, but they do stop working on occasion like when hosts upgrade their sites

When a host upgrades PHP version, it doesn't stop vBulletin installations from working.

[ozzy47]

Again, that is what this site is for, ask in the mods thread, and the member base will find a solution to a mod issue if there is enough people using it.

But vB5 don't have that problem because there is nada for mods for it, so you don't have to worry about mods not working.