Whats happened to TAZ

[User4567]

Originally Posted by Paul M

I dont visit the site very often as its impossible to have any vBulletin conversation without the usual crowd of vb/ib haters jumping in and derailing it.

Yeah it is a rather odd way to run a site that promotes forums only to have a bulk of its members troll and derail discussions/providers of internet forum software!

I am a member but it gets too confusing, promoting multiple sites / accounts etc so i never bothered to post much. (A few of the friends of one of my sites promoted it some but truthfully speaking, it was a total waste of time).

[ozzy47]

There was slot of animosity over the lawsuit.

[BirdOPrey5]

Originally Posted by BigJimTheLug

Hey...so what happened with all the hate that vbulletin software developed? How did all the hate originate? Is it related to xenForo being the vbulletin killer?

XF is hardly "the VB killer."

That said most of the ill-will toward VB on TAZ and other Admin sites are from the same group of vocal admins mostly still angry that VB4 development did not live up to a post the project manager of VB4 posted shortly after its release. It was an ambitious plan that included all great things. Many people took this post as a "promise" despite the fact it was merely a plan and only things actually promised were delivered. Anyway, that project manager moved on and the plans for VB4 changed. Things like a real "Gallery" never came about.

In addition to those still waiting for a VB4 that is never going to happen you have people who have been banned/infracted for disrupting here and vb.com forums, and some (understandbly) upset VB5 users who purchased VB5 early and upgraded site unseen unaware of all the initial bugs.

Then the lawsuit radicalized many of those who were already angry.

Many of the haters want nothing less than the destruction and bankruptcy of VB and IB (the parent company) and do everything in their power - including lie - to see that end.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Many of the haters want nothing less than the destruction and bankruptcy of VB and IB (the parent company)

Did IB sell to Godaddy?

[cellarius]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

XF is hardly "the VB killer."

Right. IB managed to kill it all by itself, no help needed...

That said most of the ill-will toward VB on TAZ and other Admin sites are from the same group of vocal admins mostly still angry that VB4 development did not live up to a post the project manager of VB4 posted shortly after its release. It was an ambitious plan that included all great things. Many people took this post as a "promise" despite the fact it was merely a plan and only things actually promised were delivered. Anyway, that project manager moved on and the plans for VB4 changed. Things like a real "Gallery" never came about.

This is a very, very short version, and in it's shortness, I'd say it's wrong. What's missing: IB started a presale for vB4.0, and many - still trusting in the former quality - bought into it. What was actually released was decidedly sub-standard, bug-ridden and hardly usable. It took the better part of 2-3 years until they got their act together. During that time, staff came and went like through a revolving door, and every time someone from the project management level went, all they said went with them. The post BoP5 mentioned really is just the most blatant example.
Then, once vB4 became a proper piece of software, they did the same stunt with vB5, releasing a software that was maybe up to alpha standards, but definitely not selling material:

In addition to those still waiting for a VB4 that is never going to happen

Yeah, bad luck, really.

and some (understandbly) upset VB5 users who purchased VB5 early and upgraded site unseen unaware of all the initial bugs.

Now, how in the world would customers expect a software they just coughed up several hundred dollars for to be in a usable state, not breaking their sites and driving away their users? Just look in the vB5 section in this very forum.

Many of the haters want nothing less than the destruction and bankruptcy of VB and IB (the parent company) and do everything in their power - including lie - to see that end.

Now, drama anybody? That's really pathetic.

[Ramsesx]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

Many of the haters want nothing less than the destruction and bankruptcy of VB and IB (the parent company) and do everything in their power - including lie - to see that end.

Most are just disappointed long year customers and no haters.
And as long as you blame the customers in the first line instead of resolving all the damages created by IB there will be no change for a better.

[mokujin]

Well, last 5 years I did not spend any cent to IB. That's the way they are killing theirself
Before that, every year I spend for them $40

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by BigJimTheLug

Hey guys, I have another concern. So, if vb5 fell short of user expectations and required a lot of bug fixes, shouldn't this be viewed as a good thing as it enables users to contribute to the bug fixing of vb5?

The essential problem with v5 is it is such a radical departure from anything previously related to vBulletin that there are few developers, coders or even graphics people who will work on it or want anything to do with it. No prior version styles or plugins or products will work with it, it doesn't even have a plugin/hooks system.

[Zachery]

The largest issue is the fact we don't have the php hook/plugin system or a proper replacement for it.

Once that is done, I think we'll start to see addon devs start to pickup again.

voting on this, will help increase its priority: http://tracker.vbulletin.com/browse/VBV-10333

[Zachery]

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