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[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by RichieBoy67

Users hate it? Cmon Max.. really?.

Yes. You'll note upon re-reading I was talking about v5 there, not v4. Users DO hate v5, they leave the site in droves every time someone upgrades to it. Several threads about that both here and on vB dot com.

[RichieBoy67]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

Yes. You'll note upon re-reading I was talking about v5 there, not v4. Users DO hate v5, they leave the site in droves every time someone upgrades to it. Several threads about that both here and on vB dot com.

My apologies brother. I am sick with the flu this week and must not have read that well enough.

I agree with you on that about v5 at least from what I hear from people.

[K4GAP]

Excuse this going slightly OT but, this thread has got me to wondering, exactly what is it about 4.2.2 that so many seem to dislike? Be specific please. I'm really trying to figure this out because it has not been my experience at all. Am I missing something?

I really want to know. And I hope nobody thinks I'm being ... *can't think of the word .... an arse maybe?

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by K4GAP

Excuse this going slightly OT but, this thread has got me to wondering, exactly what is it about 4.2.2 that so many seem to dislike? Be specific please. I'm really trying to figure this out because it has not been my experience at all. Am I missing something?

I really want to know. And I hope nobody thinks I'm being ... *can't think of the word .... an arse maybe?

A simple comparison of the bloated v4 database alone compared to the svelte and efficient one of v3 leaves few questions. Additionally, look at the vast difference between the file sizes of the packages after you download them from the members area and unzip them. v4 is almost twice the size of v3, and for no apparent reason.

Additionally and as consequence, v4 unmodified and out of the box loads slower than v3 unmodified and out of the box. It's verified and proven, and even admitted to by IB and its employees. v3 out of the box and unmodified loads about 130kb on a browser, v4 unmodified and out of the box loads nearly 400kb on browsers.

It is fat, clunky, bulky and slow. Then when you start modifying it, it only gets worse.

I can understand someone who never had a v3 not seeing the difference. Don't know if you fit in that group, but like was said by someone else earlier those who started out with v4 have no frame of reference to past version, and can be blissful with v4 as a result.

[Disco_Dave]

Max, I would disagree... We started with vb3 back in 2008 (still have it all wrapped up. (vb3.8.7) ) as vB moved forward so did we. The only thing we found harder was editing our skin to be exactly like it was on vB3. I feel the vB4 site runs better, looks slicker and feels slicker than vB3.

I wouldn't know much about the exact load times, but I'm sure it's only milliseconds?

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Disco_Dave

Max, I would disagree... We started with vb3 back in 2008 (still have it all wrapped up. (vb3.8.7) ) as vB moved forward so did we. The only thing we found harder was editing our skin to be exactly like it was on vB3. I feel the vB4 site runs better, looks slicker and feels slicker than vB3.

I wouldn't know much about the exact load times, but I'm sure it's only milliseconds?

You "feel" that way, but feelings aren't facts.

It is a FACT that v4 is fatter and slower.

Your site tests pretty well for a v4 but clearly that's because you did some good optimization work on it. I seem to remember helping you with that.

[Disco_Dave]

You did, none the less I still disagree. vB4 Looks and feel's better than vb3. I spouse you could say it's just my opinion, just like yours

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Disco_Dave

You did, none the less I still disagree. vB4 Looks and feel's better than vb3. I spouse you could say it's just my opinion, just like yours

I am not coming from opinion, I am coming from proven and tested facts. Out of the box v4 is fatter and slower than v3 out of the box. It's just a fact.

Your site is always going to seem fast to you due to caching. That's just about any site by the way. That is why we use the WPT browsers to test them, to get that unvarnished objective data. How we "feel" is subjective.

You had to do a TON of work to get your v4 performing like it is.

[cellarius]

I'm really not a vB4 fan. Never was. But how you get to the opinion the vB4 database was bloated and inefficient, when in fact it is practically identical to the vB3 database (if you subtract vB4 CMS and Blog which were not present in vB3), really beats me. What really was/is catastrophic is the CMS. The forum as a standalone product are not really that different.

[Paul M]

He just hates vB4 and feels the need to tell everyone.

As you say, the reality is that aside from the added CMS and blog, its not really much different to vB3. It does have a few extra features, especially in 4.2.x