vb.org policy change

[ozzy47]

Right, that's why I said:

Only way someone could accuse someone of scamming is to actually be involved with the whole process, sort of a middle man, or a liaison between the requester, and the coder, and that will never happen.

It would require a unbiased third party to handle the transaction between the two people, and that won't happen.

[Bryan Ex]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

After you first said..

Not interested in a misquote the member contest. I've made my points known for what they are. ma?ana

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Bryan Ex

Not interested in a misquote the member contest. I've made my points known for what they are. ma?ana

There was no misquote, those were direct quotes.

If you have a complaint on a coder, why not make the complaint then link to the other 20 complaints on him. Who are you really trying to help here?

[TheLastSuperman]

Originally Posted by Bryan Ex

I'm simply stating I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of credibility and responsibility.

That is exactly what I was trying to convey when I said this:

Originally Posted by TheLastSuperman

However if someone doing the hiring did thorough enough research they would see more than 1 negative feedback in the paid request area regarding the coder in question.

I just don't see how some people will not go through the "trouble" of researching someone who will have full access to their site before hiring them yet when they are scammed they have more than enough time to take action - If they put that amount of effort and sheer tenacity into it beforehand then there would be far less threads of this nature. If you're simply visiting their profile, seeing a list of modifications they released and assuming that equals the type of person you're looking for to do work for you then you're not doing your job to protect your site and your hard earned money.

However do not let assumptions fly and assume that I'm saying that since you were cheated that you deserved it, I simply meant only you can protect yourself. When I said you just now I meant anyone reading this as well and Bryan, all of you be safe.

We offer an area to find someone who may be right for you, it's your responsibility to have faith and trust in them, we are not the ones providing them login details to our site, you are. I cannot stress this enough like I have above - do your research and don't assume anything about the person you're hiring.

[Princeton]

Originally Posted by Bryan Ex

What you have posted is correct however (I believe) there is a certain responsibility to a forum owner to remove scammers, spammers, and criminals from their membership list.

It's NEVER as clean cut as you think.

vborg is a free site. Why should we spend our resources on issues that vborg is not part of? Each transaction is from 2 parties (not 3). Keep in mind that vborg is a depository for free vbulletin modifications not a freelance site.

We make our Requests forum available but that is as far as we go.

How would we define "scammers, spammers, and criminals"? There's a lot of grey areas. What is wrong to you may be ok to another.

[RichieBoy67]

Originally Posted by Princeton

It's NEVER as clean cut as you think.

vborg is a free site. Why should we spend our resources on issues that vborg is not part of? Each transaction is from 2 parties (not 3). Keep in mind that vborg is a depository for free vbulletin modifications not a freelance site.

We make our Requests forum available but that is as far as we go.

How would we define "scammers, spammers, and criminals"? There's a lot of grey areas. What is wrong to you may be ok to another.

Well said and I agree 100%. This would require huge resources because it is not just the buyer that gets burned. Many times it is the dev. There are many things to consider here.

Just be careful and find someone trustworthy and be very specific in your instructions. The large majority of devs here are honest and hard working. Don't let the few thief's here tarnish this valuable resource that we call vb.org!

[CAG CheechDogg]

Whether it is a mod, add-on, template edit or a paid service, it is up to the "consumer" to do his/her homework to make sure they are getting someone reputable.

To expect someone else to do the research and or try to hold someone else responsible from a deal or transaction that you or anyone initiated is ridiculous.

Everyone is told when installing any mod to make a back up of their site, database and what not, why? because v.org is not responsible for any errors that they might cause if you so choose to install that mod.

Same thing with paid services, there is no way we can hold v.org responsible for anything we choose to accept, initiate or install from these forums or allow someone to have access to our forums, database or someone we hire for a service.

If I see 5 people crossing a river successfully, it is up to me to ask them how they did it and what they faced in order to do it. That river's bottom could have changed from the last crossing to mine. I can't rely on past successful crossings and risk my life when I decide to cross, you can bet I will be asking as many questions as possible before I attempt that crossing.

Probably not the best analogy but I am sure you guys get the picture ....

[Paul M]

There is not going to be any change in policy.

We do not get involved in 3rd party disputes, it is up to members to sort out disputes between themselves.

[BirdOPrey5]

20 complaints don't mean 20 unique people made a complaint. It means 20 quasi anonymous usernames made a complaint. It could be 20 unique people but it could be 1 really crazy person with a lot of free time.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by BirdOPrey5

20 complaints don't mean 20 unique people made a complaint. It means 20 quasi anonymous usernames made a complaint. It could be 20 unique people but it could be 1 really crazy person with a lot of free time.

That's kinda what i was saying. It seemed to strike a nerve too.