Well, I think I need to take a break, Ive been doing this non stop for hours, I cant figure out where and what to achieve the effect I want, I went to stylevars>(whatever) and typed in what you suggested in various variations to no avail. I went to 'edit templates' and couldnt figure it out either. If you have the patience to help me, could you please tell me exactly what and exactly where to type this opacity commands? Ill take a little break and come back to it. thanks