Should M. Vick get to play?

[KevinL]

Originally Posted by EagleNick

Do you honestly think he can't afford to live off of what he has already made in his career? The rest of his life is paid off, I'm sure.

I am pretty sure he was trying to file for bankruptcy because of everything that has happened.

[EagleNick]

Originally Posted by KevinL

I am pretty sure he was trying to file for bankruptcy because of everything that has happened.

I guess. All while buying a new condo, too.

http://www.totalbankruptcy.com/news/...hael-vick.aspx

[VFTB]

Originally Posted by EagleNick

I'm in very close agreement with Wayne's view on this matter, to be quite honest.

It seems like there are two arguments here: The court system, and the NFL contract.

1) Yes, the court system is highly flawed. All the time on the the local news, I see puppy mills and backyard breeders (who merely keep their animals in poor conditions and run the mill for profit) get caught. Compared to Vick, the crimes and cruelty these people committed is not anywhere near as bad, yet they get arrested and sentenced for as long (if not longer) as he did. What he did is much worse and he should have gotten far worse punishment. It's unfortunate that he didn't, but there isn't anything we can do about it. Yes, it is the system to blame and not Vick -- for his lack of punishment.

2) The NFL had a choice: they didn't have to reinstate Vick into the NFL, and they don't have to employ him any more. It's the NFL's reputation that is lost to people/groups like Wayne, and I applaud the boycotting efforts.



Do you honestly think he can't afford to live off of what he has already made in his career? The rest of his life is paid off, I'm sure.

Actually, due to bankruptcy proceedings, he doesn't have anything left. Is that his fault? Yes, but it still doesn't make it right to give money as a reason to boycott him.

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Originally Posted by EagleNick

I guess. All while buying a new condo, too.

http://www.totalbankruptcy.com/news/...hael-vick.aspx

Also, you do realize that story about two years old right?

[heatherw610]

HELL NO.

There's a such thing as making "A mistake." But does the YEARS.. day after day after day of torturing mans best friend qualify as "A mistake?"

It wasnt some kind of accident, or a one time deal. He knowingly did what he did over and over. He is only sorry he got caught. What a shame anyone could even support him now.

One can only hope there's a special place in hell for child and animal abusers.

All the NFL is turing into is a bunch of ex-convicts that are suppose to be role models/examples for our sons.

Not in this house...

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Originally Posted by aeturner89

So just because someone committed a crime means they shouldn't be allowed to earn a living?

Not one in the public eye that is suppose to be a ROLE model.

He can go earn his living by picking up the trash off the side of the road and I'd have no problem!

[GSeybold]

Sorry Marco. I do realize this. I tried to post a link many times but when I hit "send reply" it kept doing nothing. I'll try harder next time.

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

A request to those who post about local news: Please include the background of your story as 90% of the members on vB.org probably don't come from your country and have no clue what it is about.

I personally never even heard of a M. Vick, nor do i have a clue what he has done.

I was thinking about this last night some more. This" do as a say not as a do mentality" is ridiculous in this case. Does anyone actually think that any of these Chicago thugs with a big huge wad of rolled up dog fighting hundred dollar bills cares what Michael Vicks says? Honestly, pretty wishful thinking. Michael made his money of these poor animals and so will all the rest of these scumbags. They aren't gonna give up a life style just because one of 'Them" got caught and is now preaching to the choir most likely because he was made to do so not because he wanted to. And if Vick wasn't a so-called celebrity you can bet he would be back doing the same thing as he wouldn't have a multi million dollar bank account to fall back on.

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Hi Princeton... would you feel the same if he killed a child drunk driving after repeat offenses? If it was your child, mother, sister or brother?

This is the problem with the "move on" mentality humans have developed is that it lets people off the hock too easily and continues the lack of personal responsibilty we are seeing today. Forgive and forget and move-on? Say that to the parents of this child? Say that to a dog missing a leg because Vick tortured it? Something is so wrong with this mentality and cements the double standard of celebrity -vs- citizen punishment both in court and out.

Is sort of like the same principal as people who "Get Jesus" after they've killed someone and have spent a few years in prison. They say Jesus forgives them but does this make the crime any less horrendous or the time any less warrented.

Originally Posted by Princeton

I agree what he did was horrible.
But I guess you need to be reminded - he already went to court; was found guilty, and sentenced. He completed his sentence and now it's time to move on.

If the law warranted a longer sentence then he would have received one.

Perhaps your anger should address the law (justice system) not the player.

[VFTB]

Originally Posted by heatherw610

HELL NO.

There's a such thing as making "A mistake." But does the YEARS.. day after day after day of torturing mans best friend qualify as "A mistake?"

It wasnt some kind of accident, or a one time deal. He knowingly did what he did over and over. He is only sorry he got caught. What a shame anyone could even support him now.

One can only hope there's a special place in hell for child and animal abusers.

All the NFL is turing into is a bunch of ex-convicts that are suppose to be role models/examples for our sons.

Not in this house...

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Not one in the public eye that is suppose to be a ROLE model.

He can go earn his living by picking up the trash off the side of the road and I'd have no problem!

Of course he is only sorry because he got caught... he even admitted as much. That isn't much different from the rest of us with most anything in life. In this case, that's what the legal system exists for. Sure it's a "mistake", albeit a big one. It's a mistake because it was poor judgment and taste. I don't support what he did, but I do support his endeavor because I'd like to think he is truly remorseful for what happened.

Here's a piece of advice though... if you're looking for professional athletes to mentor your children, turn the TV off and talk to your kids yourself. It's time for the world to quit blaming mass media for their problems.

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Originally Posted by GSeybold

Sorry Marco. I do realize this. I tried to post a link many times but when I hit "send reply" it kept doing nothing. I'll try harder next time.

I was thinking about this last night some more. This" do as a say not as a do mentality" is ridiculous in this case. Does anyone actually think that any of these Chicago thugs with a big huge wad of rolled up dog fighting hundred dollar bills cares what Michael Vicks says? Honestly, pretty wishful thinking. Michael made his money of these poor animals and so will all the rest of these scumbags. They aren't gonna give up a life style just because one of 'Them" got caught and is now preaching to the choir most likely because he was made to do so not because he wanted to. And if Vick wasn't a so-called celebrity you can bet he would be back doing the same thing as he wouldn't have a multi million dollar bank account to fall back on.

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Hi Princeton... would you feel the same if he killed a child drunk driving after repeat offenses? If it was your child, mother, sister or brother?

This is the problem with the "move on" mentality humans have developed is that it lets people off the hock too easily and continues the lack of personal responsibilty we are seeing today. Forgive and forget and move-on? Say that to the parents of this child? Say that to a dog missing a leg because Vick tortured it? Something is so wrong with this mentality and cements the double standard of celebrity -vs- citizen punishment both in court and out.

Is sort of like the same principal as people who "Get Jesus" after they've killed someone and have spent a few years in prison. They say Jesus forgives them but does this make the crime any less horrendous or the time any less warrented.

No one said it makes anyone feel better in the end, but what good does it do for the rest of us to condemn a person for it instead of supporting the person trying to improve their life and make better choices? It doesn't mean you support what they did in the past, you merely support them in hopes that they come out of it a truly better person.

[metalguy639]

I have so many words to describe Vick the bottom line is NO he should NOT be allowed ever back in the NFL. He's only sorry that he got caught simple as that!

[heatherw610]

Originally Posted by VFTB

Of course he is only sorry because he got caught... he even admitted as much. That isn't much different from the rest of us with most anything in life. In this case, that's what the legal system exists for. Sure it's a "mistake", albeit a big one. It's a mistake because it was poor judgment and taste. I don't support what he did, but I do support his endeavor because I'd like to think he is truly remorseful for what happened.

Here's a piece of advice though... if you're looking for professional athletes to mentor your children, turn the TV off and talk to your kids yourself. It's time for the world to quit blaming mass media for their problems.

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You can speak for yourself buddy. I am most certainly VERY different than him. I would never TORTURE living things for fun, amusement, or any amount of money. Good for him he is remorseful, and boohoo he cries over it. LAME.

As I stated, NOT IN THIS HOUSE. I never blamed anything on anyone for any so called problems. Im pretty certain you dont know about our TV time here as well. My children are smart enough to know a mentor from a sick criminal.

[jaymanfromTFX]

No...I think he should not be given a second chance.

[VFTB]

Originally Posted by heatherw610

You can speak for yourself buddy. I am most certainly VERY different than him. I would never TORTURE living things for fun, amusement, or any amount of money. Good for him he is remorseful, and boohoo he cries over it. LAME.

As I stated, NOT IN THIS HOUSE. I never blamed anything on anyone for any so called problems. Im pretty certain you dont know about our TV time here as well. My children are smart enough to know a mentor from a sick criminal.

So in your entire life, you've never done anything that you were sorry for because you got caught? In that case, could you go ahead and give me your blessing and send me on to heaven?