Sarkozy: Burkha is not welcome in France!

[Tauhid]

I am a muslim myself and I dont really mind women wearing Burkhas or Hijab. Its their own right to do so and noone should be able to force them to wear something or not wear something. I would disagree with the French President's say on this mainly because a country should not be run on ban basis when its not really a major threat to the country itself. Muslims all over the world are being badly portrayed for the few die hard fanatics of Al Qaeda and Talibans and all other terrorist organizations. France does have a huge population of Muslims and its hard to understand why they would decide on such a BAN all so quick without a detailed discussion with the Muslim Communities around them.

Burkhas are indeed not mandatory for Muslims, its a culture followed by Arabs in the middle east and we should not say a "Burkha" is something disgraceful or something that posseses a threat to us. Its quite frankly an attire to cover up the entire body of a women. Yes, women are shown to be less important by following such a rule of wearing Burkhas all the time. Iran is a lot more strict than other Muslim Countries, they are Shia - another branch of the Muslims which is quite similar to Catholics of the Christians mainly because its more conservative. The Talibans are ruthless murderers and lets not forget that they do not have a stronghold in Afghanistan anymore thanks to the U.S. But quite sadly, Pakistan is getting bombarded with all these Taliban militants.

Muslim women are supposed to wear clothes to cover most of their body parts as the Holy Koran does state it. In my Bangladeshi culture, women do not wear Hijabs or Burkhas, however most of the wives and daugthers Muslim clerics and Imams do wear Burkhas when they are out of the House. Then again, the muslims in France did agree to live and be brought up in France so they should accustom to the culture of France and the rules of the government and the constitution itself.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Tauhid

I am a muslim myself and I dont really mind women wearing Burkhas or Hijab. Its their own right to do so and noone should be able to force them to wear something or not wear something. I would disagree with the French President's say on this mainly because a country should not be run on ban basis when its not really a major threat to the country itself. Muslims all over the world are being badly portrayed for the few die hard fanatics of Al Qaeda and Talibans and all other terrorist organizations. France does have a huge population of Muslims and its hard to understand why they would decide on such a BAN all so quick without a detailed discussion with the Muslim Communities around them.

Burkhas are indeed not mandatory for Muslims, its a culture followed by Arabs in the middle east and we should not say a "Burkha" is something disgraceful or something that posseses a threat to us. Its quite frankly an attire to cover up the entire body of a women. Yes, women are shown to be less important by following such a rule of wearing Burkhas all the time. Iran is a lot more strict than other Muslim Countries, they are Shia - another branch of the Muslims which is quite similar to Catholics of the Christians mainly because its more conservative. The Talibans are ruthless murderers and lets not forget that they do not have a stronghold in Afghanistan anymore thanks to the U.S. But quite sadly, Pakistan is getting bombarded with all these Taliban militants.

Muslim women are supposed to wear clothes to cover most of their body parts as the Holy Koran does state it. In my Bangladeshi culture, women do not wear Hijabs or Burkhas, however most of the wives and daugthers Muslim clerics and Imams do wear Burkhas when they are out of the House. Then again, the muslims in France did agree to live and be brought up in France so they should accustom to the culture of France and the rules of the government and the constitution itself.

Thanks so much Tauhid, for that update

And coming from a muslim too, So thanks again

[abdellahaix]

I Disagree

[home9000]

You have to be neutral UKBusinessLive if your are wish to have correct vote
With your pictures and posts , you are pushing the member to vote as what you like and this not fair "Wash brain"

As par of the democratic,Why not let the women to chose what they want

Still I need you to answer for this :

Let assume this issue related to Jews
Do you think Sarkozy can do it

Finally If France has the Highest Population of Muslims then we have to respect them and give them basic right like to wear what they want

[Shelley_c]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

Although the disagree was directly below it

As a woman Shelley what are your views ??

My views are my own UK which I won't express in this thread. though. You cannot ask me to express my views on one subject, and then not want to hear them on another subject. It just doesn't work like that UK. I have my reasons, I voted, and that should be good enough for you.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by home9000

You have to be neutral UKBusinessLive if your are wish to have correct vote
With your pictures and posts , you are pushing the member to vote as what you like and this not fair "Wash brain"

As par of the democratic,Why not let the women to chose what they want

Still I need you to answer for this :

Let assume this issue related to Jews
Do you think Sarkozy can do it

Finally If France has the Highest Population of Muslims then we have to respect them and give them basic right like to wear what they want

Hi Home9000

When i made this thread i was in agreement with the french mainly because we have to "Respect" laws of the country that we decide to live in, Just like we respect the laws of Saudi Arabia and respect their laws on Not drinking Alcohol etc..

So yes i have taken the side of the French, and the reasons why i have posted in my posts, its not brain washing people, its facts, and then members can decide for themsleves, i was hoping that there would of been a bit more of a discussion equally on both sides but i'm not getting it. I posted a Muslim womens forum to show how in certain cases the women are Forced to wear the burkha and even under violence. This is a major step as in France Women are Treated the Same as the Men - Equal.

You cannot have different sections of Society where Some women are in Power, Like France has several women Muslims in Government, and then you get the other end of the scale where women are treated as second rate objects.

So lets have a Great debate and by all means Post with links if need be the facts for your choice. I for one think that All religions can live peacefully together, without the Burkha, Forced Marriages, Honour Killings, and Public Executions.

You mention the Jews again, and in response, Jews, Christians, Buddists, I feel that if any alternative religion were to wear the burkha, it would apply to them, i'm sure. Remember its not an issue with Muslims as we've proved this already its an issue with Women where the burkha and not knowing for sure if they are forced to wear it or do so of their own free will. Thats more the reason that the French have decided to stop women wearing it, to protect women in general.

As par of the democratic,Why not let the women to chose what they want

If you read the muslim womens forum (Link posted earlier) you will see a lot of stories and some are pretty horrific.

But in the end it all boils down to where you want to live and the fact that you "Have" to abide by their Rules. You need to Respect that, and that goes for every country.

[Sayid]

home9000 , Jacquii

I am with you and I can understand everything in this topic but the problem is that I can't speak English well.

and you both express my ideas exactly as I wanted to say . I can say that your posts have totally finished and solved this issue . Thanks a lot.

It is unbelievable to control of people and what they should wear or not.

If a baby said that then we may agree with him because he will cry if we not

OK lets quote and reply to some comments here :

First:

Whilst your in their country you respect their religion, and they must respect others and not expect the law to change in their favor, whats so hard about that?

No , It is not that hard. It is like a C code . Look below:

If (You are in Muslim country)
then you should know that the rules of the country are taken from the religion itself
else
other countries are separate their religion rules and countries rules.

So, when someone in KSA walked down the Street drinking a can of beer, then he is against his the both : country's rules + his religion rules.

Second

Nowhere in the Koran does it state that a woman's face and body must be covered in a layer of heavy black cloth. Instead, Muslim women should dress modestly, covering their arms and legs.

Have you read Holy Quran ?

Who said that. You should give evidences , or readers will never believe

But I have

Allah Sobhanh said:

( يا نساء النبي لستن كأحد من النساء إن اتقيتن فلا تخضعن بالقول فيطمع الذي في قلبه مرضٌ وقلن قولاً معروفاً . وقرن في بيوتكن ولا تبرجن تبرج الجاهلية الأولى وأقمن الصلاة وءاتين الزكاة وأطعن الله ورسوله إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيراً )

الأحزاب: 32/33-

قال الله تعالى : ( قل للمؤمنين يغضوا من أبصارهم ويحفظوا فروجهم ذلك أزكى لهم إن الله خبير بما يصنعون . وقل للمؤمنات يغضضن من أبصارهن ويحفظن فروجهن ولا يبدن زينتهن إلا ما ظهر منها وليضربن بخمرهن على جيوبهن ولا يبدين زينتهن إلا لبعولتهن أو آبائهن أو آباء بعولتهن أو أبنائهن أو أبناء بعولتهن أو إخوانهن أو بني إخوانهن أو بني أخواتهن أو نسائهن أو ما ملكت أيمانهن أو التابعين غير أولي الإربة من الرجال أو الطفل الذين لم يظهروا على عورات النساء ولا يضربن بأرجلهن ليعلم ما يخفين من زينتهن وتوبوا إلى الله جميعاً أيها المؤمنون لعلكم تفلحون ) - النور: 30/31 - .

You can download an English translation of Holy Quran from this link to make sure :
http://www.islamway.com/SF/quran/

Third

Tauhid's

Are you really Muslim ?

Burkhas are indeed not mandatory for Muslims

This is basic in Islam even non Muslims know that Hijab is a must.

I think [not sure] you can read Arabic

see this :

http://www.khayma.com/ftat/SH/adelah.HTM

In conclusion, I and all people who can mind will disagree with such rule ..

Sayid

[UKBusinessLive]

Thanks Sayid,

Thanks for your post, I Respect your Views, but what i can't understand is why there are so many hundred of thousand of muslim Women in western countries not wearing a Hijab, or a Burkha. Does that make them less good at their Religion??

Indeed in Iran with all the latestest demonstrations, you can clearly see women without a Hijab or burkha, and thats quite a strict Muslim Country too ??

Respect to you and thanks again

[Carnage]

I've considered this from another angle; thanks to the poster who brought up the jews point. If it were scientology that was mandating this dresswear i'd be all for the ban; Scientology has a history of abusing its followers. In this case its a branch of a main stream religion that is abusing its (female) followers. Considering it from that perspective, the ban is a good step.

[Sayid]

You are welcome

but what i can't understand is why there are so many hundred of thousand of muslim Women in western countries not wearing a Hijab, or a Burkha. Does that make them less good at their Religion??

good question. Of course it does.

By the way. We have to distinguish between Islam and Muslims .

Islam is a religion .

Muslims are people who believe the 5 foundations of Islam .

They believe that there is no God but Allah and prophet Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
They pray 5 times a day
They do fast in 9th month of each year
They give alms
They perform Al-Haj once in life

So, if Muslims women do not wear Hijab, or a Burkha , this will not make them non Muslim .

Prophet Muhammad told Muslims women and warn that lots of problems occur if they don,t wear Hijab . He told them also that the first alluring of Israel before was women.

This is in the macrocosm (this life ).

And in the last day, Muslims who do not obey all Islamic rubrics will get torment of hell.

Not only Hijab, there are many things Muslims should do it and all of these things will help the humanity . They are not random commands

You are free to ask any question

BRB