IonCube Rant

[TheLastSuperman]

Originally Posted by nexialys

hum, he just stated the opposite in his last comment... tsss

Read again IF you were referring to Puerto

Originally Posted by nexialys

hum, i can add to this... 90% of the coders here started with a client's vB or a nulled one to see how it work and if it worth coding for it...

a lot of designers and coders can not work on vB from a client's request because you have to purchase it to play with it... most of the other projects have free versions we can test, but not vB... so the coders have a real need of a nulled version to start playing with, and most of the time they are seduced, so they purchase a license, even if it's just to be able to code/sell for it.

Well that's because they did not realize you could throw up another forum for testing purposes... HELLO I did not until just recently but then again some do not have the knowledge... they have enough brains to rip your stuff but not code it themselves else they would make their own version... Who did the video-directory remixed mod.. I can't remember but he really ticked me off being a tactless twat so I made my own but the way I wanted to and not using ANY of his code so hmph BUT you see my point (I hope ).

S-MAN

Edit: The comment on calling home and codes that quit working when their site is down id soooo true and people need to quit doing that, maybe for a demo to a client but then remove asap and recode after purchased. I recently lost my site and domain due to a conflict of interest w/ the host right before renewal so I'm VERY HAPPY I did not release any mods or do any work on sites requiring info from that site. (I did a complete backup of files so I could fix if needed yest there was nothing as said but that's not the point, the methods to our madness is the point i.e. the threads title IonCube )

[lasto]

Originally Posted by puertoblack2003

who that might be ??? !!! i know you and i didn't start off with a null copy.....

LOL everyones getting worried

I dont know the guy so counts me out but Yes i started my life with vbull using a null copy before i was forced to buy a license.

[hambil]

Originally Posted by nexialys

hum, i can add to this... 90% of the coders here started with a client's vB or a nulled one to see how it work and if it worth coding for it...

I started as a tech admin for a board running a valid copy. I expect that is the road most coders took. People who steal things often assume everyone thinks like them and steals things, too. It's how they justify their actions.

With that said, I think your statement was not meant to come across quite as bad as it did. You aren't saying 90% of coders started with a nulled copy. I think you are saying that most coders started with a clients copy, and a few started with a nulled copy.

Either way, anything to do with a nulled copy of vB is not only illegal, but also immoral. If you want a free board get one. SMF and phpBB3 are both good boards. If you feel you want to run vB over those free choices there must be a reason and that reason is worth paying for, so pay for it and stick a sock in it

Let me also point out (to get focus back to the original op) that vB has never been encrypted, to my knowledge. In fact, a lot of what goes on here depends on vB being open and accessible.

[unenergizer]

Originally Posted by hambil

Let me also point out (to get focus back to the original op) that vB has never been encrypted, to my knowledge. In fact, a lot of what goes on here depends on vB being open and accessible.

If it was encrypted it probably wouldn't be as popular. When it comes to creating community sites, flexibility is the key. Everyone wants to be unique so thus the reason for modifications that combine vBulletin with other softwares (eg wordpress) or vb specific addons. So I think I can agree with you on that point.

[harmor19]

Originally Posted by nexialys

hum, i can add to this... 90% of the coders here started with a client's vB or a nulled one to see how it work and if it worth coding for it...

I pirated vBulletin right when I got into coding. I also pirated IPB when they released 2.x but back then I could not understand the code and I'm sure I probably couldn't understand it now. On the other hand though I picked up vBulletin's coding fairly quickly.

Originally Posted by myself

hum, i can add to this... 90% of the coders here started with a client's vB or a nulled one to see how it work and if it worth coding for it...

as you can see, i stated two different situations, you took only the worst one... that's sad... rofl

[kevcj]

Originally Posted by unenergizer

IonCube FTW!

This encrypting has it's benefits and it has it's downfalls like every other software available. However it is entirely up to the software developer to use the tools in an appropriate fashion. Every comment has been so biased it's not even funny.

How is loosing the use of a script because the developer disappeared biased? I paid for the full use of that script, and now its useless.

Originally Posted by unenergizer

Consider that IonCube has potentially saved developers millions, yes I said millions, in revenue. The soul developer of a particular project utilizing IonCube is to blame for any grievances between the customers/users using it (the project).

IMOP

It might have saved the developers money, but the customers do not deserve to be ripped off.

What kind of car or truck do you drive? Will the bank go pick that car or truck up after it paid for? Nope, because its yours.

I have been denied something that I have a legal right to use. The right to use of that product was granted through the license agreement. But now I can not use the product because of ion cube.

And, if you ask developers to decrypt the software, most of them will not touch it. They think your trying to steal the software.

Here I am, with something that I can not use, nor can I get it fixed so I can use it. But somehow that "biased"?

Originally Posted by kevcj

And, if you ask developers to decrypt the software, most of them will not touch it. They think your trying to steal the software.

that'S why you will never see a encrypted script on my site... have the job to do both ways...

[unenergizer]

Originally Posted by kevcj

Here I am, with something that I can not use, nor can I get it fixed so I can use it. But somehow that "biased"?

Not exactly in that context, no. However I was referring to multiple other rants on Page 1. These comments in context state that IonCube product's shouldn't or won't ever be used again, by a given specif user, because of an experience with an unreliable developer. Thus biased.

I am not here to argue the fact that YOU HAVE LOST MONEY.
That for me personally is 1) none of my business and 2)nor do I care to make it my business.

However, simply saying that you will never used and IonCube encrypted product simply because someone else had a problem is biased by definition. Please if there are any doubts google biased and your nearest English professor.

By the way I have been a paying member of phpaudit, an IonCube encrypted product, since 2007. Couldn't be happier.


Personally for SolidPHP (author of phpaudit) here is what I have to say:
Problems: 0
Customer Satisfaction: 100%
IonCube Encrypted: Yes
http://www.solidphp.com/

Once again it's all in how a specific developer handles their work. Some people don't care and some people do care. Unfortunately you found a developer that doesn't care.

So don't flip your wig, because not all IonCube products suck, and not all developers will jack with you.

[Carnage]

The last Ioncube encrypted product i came across instantly lost a customer. I was really impressed with their product and just before placing an order I downloaded a demo copy to test to see if it would work on my server setup. It was encrypted - this didn't strike me as an issue; but i figured i'd better check that the full version wouldn't be. The reply came back that it was and that there wasn't a version sold that would be open source.

This put me off totally; not having the ability to modify and tinker with software that I've bought is just unacceptable. Aside from the phoning home aspect, the fact that if the devs disappear the software stops, that I can't fix bugs/issues such as XSS/SQl injection flaws; it stops me getting a judge of how well written the software is. For all I know, there could be some hideously inefficient code stuck in the middle of an important part of the script, or worse a purposeful back door.

Amusingly, I'm now considering using vbulletin as a platform to replace the software As with the use of vbadvanced, Vbulletin's subscription system and of cause the forums; I can setup 90% of what i needed this software to do. The rest I can probably put together in a matter of hours. If the tests on my dev board go well, IonCube may have gained Jelsoft another sale.