Add more Tax to cigerettes?

[Xphusion]

Down with ciggaretts.....ban it for good and legalize teh erb 8))))

at least is more healthy then ciggs...

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Someone actually really did the math on smoking in the USA, and if counting everything, the conclusion was that each package of cigarettes sold, still benefit the community with $0.30. That is after calcualting all the extra medical care for both the smokers and those who inhale secondhand smoke, but also the "benefit" of the smokers dying younger, saving a ot of medical care.

[lasto]

Originally Posted by Marco van Herwaarden

Someone actually really did the math on smoking in the USA, and if counting everything, the conclusion was that each package of cigarettes sold, still benefit the community with $0.30. That is after calcualting all the extra medical care for both the smokers and those who inhale secondhand smoke, but also the "benefit" of the smokers dying younger, saving a ot of medical care.

Forget the $0.30 - over in the uk we pay about 3 Pound tax on every packet of cigarettes so on my smoking alone that equates to about 30 uk pounds a week.
Now try telling me i could`nt get private healthcare for that amount - esp if u look at it monthly.

Also not all smokers are a strain on the nhs - some are i admit but not all.
Lets take drinkers - hospitals are full of people who are attacked when people go drinking over the weekend etc - does this not put a strain on the nhs ?

Whats killing the NHS is not its inability to cope - but the strain it has been placed under since Britain opened it borders and allowed anyone in.

[Shelley_c]

I'll admit lasto joining the eu has put added pressure to the nhs but the strain was there long before we joined the eu. You make a good point that it's not just smokers, It's not you are right about that but this thread is focusing on tax on cigarettes. Not binge drinkers, nor drug abuse users who some people feel put additional strain on the nhs.

The biggest strain on the nhs is the goverment, everyone no matter if they are foreign, abused their body or any other factor that warrants some people to say they are strain should never be turned away. It's all too good people put their 2 cents worth in and pointing fingers but they have not been in the situation where they are waiting (as i stated in this thread). Yes, the nhs is overloaded, it always has been and it's increasing each day.

If it's not smoking, it'll only be something else. If the patient (waiting list) goes down we only see funding to the nhs decreasing keeping it at that breaking point. It's one of those vicious circles which will always be present within our countries. It pays to die, or atleast the government. A person who has worked all their life and not working (due to retirement) is only a drain on society as far as the government are concerned. you could fight for your country and when you need help you'll be shit upon.

Anyway, looks like the original poster has abandoned this thread. Controversy and leave other members to battle up it's what I call the puppet string effect. Get dug in.

[Hornstar]

double/triple the tax. I don't care. Smoking is a waste of money full stop. I hate it when people smoke around me, I shouldn't have to breathe in that crap. There is not a single positive that anyone can justify for why smoking is good, and there are so many negatives against smoking which is why the government should up the tax, make some money from the people that are too weak to give it up.

[unenergizer]

look ok

I am going to set all of you straight. I dont even have to read anything anyone has posted.

STOP SMOKING. I DID. THats right, Im an eX smoker. BLING BLIGN

So heres how i did it.

GET U THE GUM itS THE BOMB. I quit like a champ. whoop whoop

btw what country are you in and what is tax?

[Se?or Ramos]

Originally Posted by Xphusion

Down with ciggaretts.....ban it for good and legalize teh erb 8))))

at least is more healthy then ciggs...

The evidence is surely there.

Ya know, to people who smoke cigarettes, at least all you have to worry about is a tax. What about non-violent medical cannabis consumers, or even just casual consumers, who have to worry about jail time? That's another debate for another day, though.

On a socio-economic status, I agree with the heavy taxation of cigarettes. It really sucks, but every US citizen has to sacrifice something in order to live here. Cigarettes are not a necessity, because it is possible to live without them. Plus, they've been proven to caused a myriad of illnesses. Sooo... in the interest of public health and economic welfare, why not make the luxury that kills expensive? Sounds like smart politics to me.

[lasto]

Originally Posted by unenergizer

look ok

I am going to set all of you straight. I dont even have to read anything anyone has posted.

STOP SMOKING. I DID. THats right, Im an eX smoker. BLING BLIGN


So heres how i did it.

GET U THE GUM itS THE BOMB. I quit like a champ. whoop whoop

btw what country are you in and what is tax?

nothing worse than an ex smoker who claims if they can quit then everyone can.
Maybe we dont want to quit - hows that for an answer.
The thing is we pay a lot in tax on cigarettes yet u lot are saying we should be paying more.
Well i dont agree with your view either.
Without us paying tax on smokes u would be hit harder in the pocket simply as.

Also do u drink alcohol ? waste of money if u ask me as i dont drink but i also dont want more tax on alcohol just so i can spite all you drinkers.
The only winners are the goverment - no one else.

Originally Posted by Se?or Ramos

The evidence is surely there.

Ya know, to people who smoke cigarettes, at least all you have to worry about is a tax. What about non-violent medical cannabis consumers, or even just casual consumers, who have to worry about jail time? That's another debate for another day, though.

On a socio-economic status, I agree with the heavy taxation of cigarettes. It really sucks, but every US citizen has to sacrifice something in order to live here. Cigarettes are not a necessity, because it is possible to live without them. Plus, they've been proven to caused a myriad of illnesses. Sooo... in the interest of public health and economic welfare, why not make the luxury that kills expensive? Sounds like smart politics to me.

see bad view again ........smokes are not the only thing bad for you - what about the old favourite [B]?lcohole/B]
More dangerous than smoking a cig - do u see people killing people and saying i dont remember it because i was under the influence of a cigarette ?
U dont see the police policing smokers outside factories do you yet they have to police outside pubs because of the amount of trouble that alchol brings.
Then we can go onto how much does it cost to keep all these drug users in their habit ?
Or what about Foreign Nationals coming to this country for operations then going back to their homeland - its all a strain

Even if i was to give up smoking tomorrow i would still not agree on increasing tax on smokes.Their is a lot of other groups that should be hit first.
Thats the problem with us lot - we all split into different groups baying for the other side to get crapped on (once again) - Instead of standing up and saying No More we had enough.

[TheLastSuperman]

Addiction VS Willpower..... Who will win???? Ohh and the 3rd runner up, do what I wanna do by Lasto - Tune in next thread, same style of question different context for the answer!

[Shelley_c]

Looks like a smoke off is on the cards.

Granpappys cough medicine is so cheap and people will rarely drink as much as they smoke. In this day and age smoking and drinking the mixture goes hand in hand. My own view, I don't think the government could get away with taxing the hell out of alcohol like they do with smoking cigarettes. The average user who chooses to drink alcohol will simply give it up whilst the average smoker is addicted after a certain time. And, unless your a raging alcoholic, this would be the small group who would continue to purchase alcohol if tax on the mixture were raised to the extreme amounts that the smokers endure.

It will never happen (esp here in the uk) cigarettes are in another league that the goverment can capitalize on more than they ever could with alcohol.

Not really raising any points that anyone didn't know already.