Obama to close Guantanamo Bay

[Shelley_c]

Originally Posted by lasto

i aint an obama lover,tbh i dont care who is president of the united states.All i care about is american foreign policy.They stick their nose into everyones affair and expect other countrys to follow the leader,whether they are right or wrong,and we being such a lousy country (UK) we follow America regardless of any consequences.

Anyone found any WOMD in iraq yet ? - such bull and if i was to tell lies like that id be known as billy bull *******.Yet the americans do it with style and expect us all to believe in what they say.Obama is no different,the guy promises you what u want and u all follow him like he is the new messiah.Its quite Sad really,how anyone can put their faith in one man when time and time again it has been proven that its best to trust no one and believe nothing.

Installed

edit: Although I'll add, I was all for the americans going to war against iraq. It's sad that soldiers lost their lives but how many iraq citizens did the war save? woman and children aswell as men brutally tortured was enough for me for america to get involved though they had their reasons of WOMD ad did the uk.

They should now and remove Zimbabwean dictator mugabe.

Originally Posted by lasto

Obama is no different,the guy promises you what u want and u all follow him like he is the new messiah.Its quite Sad really,how anyone can put their faith in one man when time and time again it has been proven that its best to trust no one and believe nothing.

actually i'm not on that side... George Bush announced on day one that he was there to impose the USA to the world, at all price (at no cost)... He was backed-up by the war/weapons lobby... he was there as his father, to provoque peace by war (if you kill your enemy, you have nothing else to fear)

Obama is the opposite way of thinking. his party is about negociations, smooth cooperation and collaboration. this is why his job is different from Bush's party.

Even Ben Laden told the americans to vote for McCain so there would be no peace with his... he said "if you vote for McCain, i'll be with you forever. I don't want you to vote for Obama"... it's not because Obama will anihilate Ben Laden, it's because Obama is not handling war and conflicts the same way, and Laden would have less impact in his part of the world if Obama give his voice...

we will see... in 365 days.

[iogames]

Ok today in the same issue:

1. Guantanamo prisoner tortured

So closing the base have legal implications, like which another nation will tolerate American's army behavior?

2. Guantanamo ex-detainees back to terrorism

So it didn't work right?

3. DA says Gitmo closing may take time

Aaah! someone who really knows!!! at least the General Attorney doesn't have a pink pen with pixie dust to run my life

[Shelley_c]

Originally Posted by iogames

Ok today in the same issue:

1. Guantanamo prisoner tortured

So closing the base have legal implications, like which another nation will tolerate American's army behavior?

2. Guantanamo ex-detainees back to terrorism

So it didn't work right?

3. DA says Gitmo closing may take time



Aaah! someone who really knows!!! at least the General Attorney doesn't have a pink pen with pixie dust to run my life

Like I stated in this thread, You'll not change human nature nor the world for that matter. If they want to put their false hopes in one man, let them. In 10 years time the world will be just as bad, if not worse. Like it will be in 20 years time 30, 40,50 etc and so forth. Realistic thinking instead of living in some hollywood blockbuster movie will yield better rewards

@ 2. Of course not, why would it? more importantly, why would the government think it would work?

[Magnumutz]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

I doubt there are any romanians in romania, they all seem to be residing in the uk since we joined the eu.

Not even close Shelley, most of them (those that are working in other countries) are in Spain or Italy.
UK is still not as populated as Spain.
My sister went there on her Honey moon and guess what... she felt like she was home.
Not a very good nor bad thing... just weird.
I've been seeing a lot of ads for jobs in the UK on Job websites.
But i for one, wouldn't leave the country for just any job.


@Ontopic: Guantanamo closed or not, it's Obama that's gotta make a difference or not.
Bush was an 100% pure American idealist, crush all those we don't like, understand or get along with.
Let's hope that Obama will do things different.

[Digital Jedi]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

Like I stated in this thread, You'll not change human nature nor the world for that matter. If they want to put their false hopes in one man, let them. In 10 years time the world will be just as bad, if not worse. Like it will be in 20 years time 30, 40,50 etc and so forth. Realistic thinking instead of living in some hollywood blockbuster movie will yield better rewards

@ 2. Of course not, why would it? more importantly, why would the government think it would work?

Don't think I'm taking a stab at you Shelly, but it sounds like your saying that because human nature can't change, then we have no reason to change the human nature of ourselves or teach our children to behave any better.

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Originally Posted by Wayne Luke

I believe its about time and my post will probably get this thread closed.

At its heart, the prison at Guantanomo Bay is illegal under the 4th amendment of the Constitution of the United States. No one held in the prison has been found guilty of any crime and yet they have been denied Due Process and their property has been forfeit. I would go so far as to say it violates the Geneva War Convention and International Law but other countries sit by and do nothing. Why the architects behind this idea have not been tried under the High Crimes and Misdemeanors clause or subjected to an International War Crimes tribunal is beyond me. However they are reliant on the environment of fear that they want to portray. By having this prison they give people the false hope that something is being done.

By keeping the nation in constant fear, they have done the terrorist's job for them. This really isn't the way to tackle the issue. Even with all the physical and psychological torture of the prisoners has not allowed this program to reveal significant information for what it was meant to achieve... The capture and detention of Osama Bin Laden. In fact, I am sure participants have been planted to feed the administration false information. It would be nothing for a martyr to accept torture to mislead his enemy.

When these participants are found guilty of crimes and afforded due process as allowed under the law then they can be rightfully imprisoned. In fact for the few participants that have been found guilty of crimes, they are imprisoned in prisons on America soil and provided all rights as afforded under our laws. Closing down a blight on the American soul will allow us to move on, rebuild international relations and hopefully actually do some good in the world. Those detainees that haven't been charged with a crime should be free to go. Those that have should be processed through the proper criminal system.

That Barack Obama is willing to take the flak from his Generals and Admirals and close down this prison shows a lot about his character. As long as he continues to do what is right based on the foundations of this country, he will do more in the fight against terror than has been accomplished in the last 8 years. The first step is not giving into fear because that is what they want.

Oh, I think there's a fair number of military that agree with him. Particularly those who've served at Gitmo and seen what "enhanced interrogation" means first hand. Any way you look at it, the only people who want Guantanamo to stay open, are a few Americans who still think Iraq had something to do with 911. To everyone else in the world, it's a black eye on US government.

People say don't put your hopes in one man. But what I think you can put your hope in is a little common sense, which we've had none of in the last 8 years. I see no logical, rational reason why Obama wouldn't close it down.

[Roms]

I agree with Wayne Luke. I could add more but I think he summed it up really well.

[iogames]

that Wayne Luke is something! u think he will be available for my business parties?

[Wayne Luke]

Originally Posted by iogames

that Wayne Luke is something! u think he will be available for my business parties?

How much does it pay?

[Shelley_c]

Originally Posted by Digital Jedi

Don't think I'm taking a stab at you Shelly, but it sounds like your saying that because human nature can't change, then we have no reason to change the human nature of ourselves or teach our children to behave any better.

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Oh, I think there's a fair number of military that agree with him. Particularly those who've served at Gitmo and seen what "enhanced interrogation" means first hand. Any way you look at it, the only people who want Guantanamo to stay open, are a few Americans who still think Iraq had something to do with 911. To everyone else in the world, it's a black eye on US government.

People say don't put your hopes in one man. But what I think you can put your hope in is a little common sense, which we've had none of in the last 8 years. I see no logical, rational reason why Obama wouldn't close it down.

I missed Your reply DJ. You have your opinions, that is your privilege as have I. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, I remain to look at things in a realistic fashion while others will place hope (generally speaking) in one guy, like I said, nature in humankind will never change and when we are both 6 feet under and the new kids on the block are posting on vbulletin they'll be debating the same thing. I'm predicting jelsoft will have a financially comfortable future.