Can we talk politics?

[Ncturnal]

The Libertarian party does not support the Iraq war. At least 70% of Americans are against the war. I can't imagine that anyone who is truly informed could be in favor of the Iraq war. For that matter, he's not anti war. He's anti-unjust, undeclared, pre-emptive war.

Here is a press release from the Libertarian party yesterday.
http://www.lp.org/media/article_545.shtml

Apparently the Libertarian party doesn't share your views.

[kiFF]

I'm a libertarian with a lower-case 'L'. I'm a very conservative libertarian. And there's more to being a libertarian than your position on the war.

And I don't see how anyone who is truly informed can be against the war. Violence is down 70% since last june. And I don't understand how people think we can win this war by withdrawing.

[Ncturnal]

Originally Posted by kiFF

I'm a libertarian with a lower-case 'L'. I'm a very conservative libertarian. And there's more to being a libertarian than your position on the war.

And I don't see how anyone who is truly informed can be against the war. Violence is down 70% since last june. And I don't understand how people think we can win this war by withdrawing.

The war debate is going to come down to what news source you choose to believe. I don't buy the main stream media's report they want me to hear on the war. There is a lot more violence there than there was before we ever invaded their country. Our soldiers are still dying. We had no business being there in the first place because there were absolutely no ties between Iraq and Osama bin Laden. About 1.2 million Iraqis have died as a direct result of our involvement. Don't bring some arbitrary statistic of violence being down as justification for a war we should have never started in the first place. There is nothing "conservative" about invading a sovereign country and killing its citizens. There is no "winning" option for this war. We lost the day we marched in illegally. The war is a huge factor in the decline of our dollar, higher oil prices, the massive increase of our deficit, and the decline of our economy. It has generated ill will for America worldwide. Again, there is nothing conservative about any of that.

[kiFF]

We are in a war buddy, people are going to die. And if you're trying to say that American lives lost at the hands of a country who wants us dead is justification for our withdrawal, then you're batty. And you can't dismiss the statistics because it's inconvenient for you to acknowledge them.

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There is no "winning" option for this war. We lost the day we marched in illegally. The war is a huge factor in the decline of our dollar, higher oil prices, the massive increase of our deficit, and the decline of our economy. It has generated ill will for America worldwide. Again, there is nothing conservative about any of that.

Right...and you think we should just leave and everything will be peachy right? There's two sides to a war, the violence isn't going to stop if we just up and leave. It will spread.

[Ncturnal]

Originally Posted by kiFF

We are in a war buddy, people are going to die. And if you're trying to say that American lives lost at the hands of a country who wants us dead is justification for our withdrawal, then you're batty. And you can't dismiss the statistics because it's inconvenient for you to acknowledge them.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq had no connections to the terrorists. We are at war under false pretenses.....you know, those weapons of mass destruction that were never found. Please show me what Iraq did to us to warrant our invasion. You sound like a Fox News lapdog. Your opinion on the subject doesn't matter. No warmonger is going to be elected president because anyone with half a brain doesn't support the war.

[kiFF]

We went in to remove a dictator and set up a more stable country. I'll write more later, I have guitar lessons.

[Ncturnal]

Originally Posted by kiFF

We went in to remove a dictator and set up a more stable country. I'll write more later, I have guitar lessons.

Oh ya, Iraq is a lot more stable now. Please, spare us anymore warmongering propaganda. Start your own thread about that BS.

Cheney in 94. I wonder what happened to his rationality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

[Weapon-x]

Originally Posted by Ncturnal

Oh ya, Iraq is a lot more stable now. Please, spare us anymore warmongering propaganda. Start your own thread about that BS.

Cheney in 94. I wonder what happened to his rationality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

The media doesn't show what you really need to see. Over in Iraq we are doing very good.

[Ncturnal]

Originally Posted by Weapon-x

The media doesn't show what you really need to see. Over in Iraq we are doing very good.

How do you know? Are you in Iraq?

[kiFF]

Ncturnal, maybe you should take your ad hominem somewhere else, and spare us the bumper-sticker-arguments.