Jelsoft sold ?! not me!

[G0F0RBR0KE]

I really see no reason for Jelsoft to pay coders. We're the one that decided to give free support. Some coders does this for hobbies or because they're generous. Why don't you get an IPB and see what kind of mods you'll end up on your forum.

If you want to make money from coding, simply make a portfolio and hopefully someone is willing to buy it.

We have 2 section to make in-come money.

[Dave Hawley]

I'm afraid I have to disagree. Many people have invested money, time, and more into this software and now they have concerns.

Concerns based on what though? All I'm reading here is guess-work based on fear. Motivation by fear rarely yields fruitful results.

In regards to Google, they are are Search Engine company 1st and foremost who make most profit from contextual advertising. Google have never lost focus on the fact that without highly relevant fast organic search results they would loose billions in advertising.

To say Google is an advertising company is putting the cart before the horse.

[BigDog56]

Does anybody know of any other companies that IB has acquired and how they fared?

Originally Posted by Zachery

Perhaps you are here for the wrong reasons. This community was established to give users a place to share their modifications and work together.

the funny thing is: why do you provide a Paid service request forum if everybody is SOOOOOO happy to work for free ?!...

you do not answer the question because you answer these requests yourself sometimes and make money from your own work on vb.org...

if the goal of the vb.org guys is to make this site look like the best place for volunteers, you can stop it... this would make the best of the ideas for IB to close this site and provide only one support forum, and centralize the efforts on a single site, with paid coders to give support and none of these good ideals would serve...

or maybe that's already done, because if Jelsoft never announced that they were negociating for a transaction that means that everything was darken to hide everything... they were "Aquired", not financed, not supported... aquired... that means Jelsoft no more... is vb.org was inside the transaction, and in what level ?!

if not most of the time, we can say "always", when aquirements come that fast, the whole system is transformed quickly after the transaction... so, as nobody officially announced the place of vb.org in the business, i suppose there is none... and as most of the guys from vB.org are already inside Jelsoft because they also are moderators of vb.com, they will be transformed into the New Jelsoft employees...

speculations are fun.. we can say anything, the future will give reason for one of these ideas....

[MPDev]

People often forget that the developers of software are running a business - and acquisitions are a normal part of doing business, as is taking on investors or selling out. Motivations are different for everyone, but we all seek to cash out at some time when we build a company - I myself have sold a few and it's part of making a living.

Change of any kind scares people; but it's how you look at it that defines you. Are you an optimist or a pessimist? As an optimist I think that the influx of capitol and resources will help vBulletin - although I doubt cash was a problem to begin with.

At the end of the day the only people entitled to any kind of payment are the shareholders; the rest of us are just along for the ride.

you are absolutely right MPDev...

the question is not if the transaction was good or not for Jelsoft... there is no problem with that, it is a good thing for them...

but most of the projects with volunteers are managed by volunteers and "usually" are kept volunteered... projects managed by companies are usually a single bunch inside a company and the whole is sold in a single piece...

but here, we have the great vb.com project, by Jelsoft, and vb.org, by Jelsoft... for vb.com, no problem, it will be business as usual.... but for vb.org, where people are not inside the transaction... what will come of all the work done here "for the pleasure of it" ???

if this site would have been in the transaction, we'd be able to read it in the announcement... but even none of the coder, none of the volunteers have been thanked... just the clients... so get of the dream guys.

oh, and btw, Zachery... i'm here for the sake of providing support for my clients... because i have a lot of them on this site, and i support them here, because it is easy to reach the resources... i was not in the transaction regarding IB and Jelsoft, so i'm not employee of IB... what is my place then ?!... none... like the whole bunch of guys who do it for the fun of it.

[Zachery]

Originally Posted by nexialys

the funny thing is: why do you provide a Paid service request forum if everybody is SOOOOOO happy to work for free ?!...

While this community was established for coders to work together on projects and share coding styles/skills/etc its also a good base of coders who may need to look for work. There are also people who'd like to pay someone for their time and efforts to do work for them. This does not subtract any value from the community as a whole.

[connkid25]

Here is my opinion. Take it or leave it... Just wait and see what happens. If VB starts going downhill, most of us will take it as a slap in the face and find another software company. I would think that phpbb would be a great place for all of you coders to start. Phpbb needs some serious help although its great for free software. Since your all doing these mods for free, why not move to a free forum?

I would agree that they should have sold to a software company. That would have been the most obvious thing to do. I think if you own a great car company and then sell it to a company dealing in lawn mowers, you may have a lot of customers raising a red flag. As for all of you coders who have put a lot of sweat and carpal tunnel into VB, your work isnt going by un-noticed.

Lets just wait and see what happens. Not that its much of a choice...

[MPDev]

Jelsoft was a company, too; and from the outside it would seem one that was doing very well for itself. Did you expect to be paid from the beginning when you started coding hacks? No. Why should that change with ownership of the company?

You own your "hacks"; if someone came along and bought them from you would those who posted in your hack thread deserve a piece of the action? No.

I wouldn't hold you breath expecting any form of compensation - if you thought the time you were spending was vesting yourself in the company you should have asked for something in return up front.

[LordDB]

It has to be said that if a Member is happy with the Mod/Hack presented, then he/she can make a voluntary contribution by clicking the Donation link in the authors thread!

All said and done, I don't know what's hardest to do in recognition of a great mod taken from a Member; post a 'Thank you' or make a financial contribution?

I do feel that a Mod/Hack/Style contribution should give the Coder/Designer extra benefits on this site though, as none is given!

Br.