Suggestions: How to bring vBulletin.org back to what it was before...

[Brad]

My friend, just because you have an idea does not mean someone did not have it before you.

Should I go pay the man that came up with a fishing rod if I know how to build one myself? Should I even have to ask him if I want to build one? No.

Using this place for research is not wrong, it helps improve the software, bottom line. Half of the default options in your control panel were hacks at one point or another.

[rogersnm]

And that is your opinion. Other people have different one's.

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by rogersnm

http://www.vbhackers.com/forum/showt...?t=3548&page=3

All i see on that page is that someone (LiveWire) is claiming that he didn't get credit. He is not saying that they didn't ask/get permission.

Anyway without someone showing parts of code from which it is obvious that Jelsoft did copy his code, we are still nowhere with this discussion.

PS This thread is about the suggestion to bring vb.org back to what it was before. If you want to discuss copyright laws or if Jelsoft break a law, i suggest you start your own topic at vbulletin.com, or one hee in the lounge. This has nothing to do with how vbulletin.org is functioning or with "bringing back the old times".

[noppid]

Originally Posted by amykhar

1. Exclaiming is an extreme exageration. See any exclamation marks or shouting in the post? No. It was a gentle suggestion that maybe the subject should be dropped instead of hashing over the same request.
2. I'm a person who's been a member of this site since the day it opened. I am allowed to have my own personal vision of what I would like it to be. I understand that it's not going to be that and why, but I'm still allowed to say what it would be in my ideal world. A place where people who code or who are learning to code discuss coding and socialize. I said nothing about exclusive. Tgreer put words in my mouth. And given that he is the one harping about off-topic posts, his objections to my dream of a coding oriented modification site is a bit ludicrous.

I'm sorry you don't like the fact that I like the coder's forum. But, I'm not going to apologize for liking it or for liking to work with other people who like to code their sites. It has nothing to do with cliques or exclusion. It has everything to do with enjoying a forum devoted to a specific topic. I don't care if the people who are in there can barely read an if loop. What I care about is that they are willing to try to take their vision for their site and implement it themselves. THAT'S what keeps me here. People creating unique sites through their own efforts and ideas. It's a fun thing to be a part of.

Gee Amy then I gotta ask again when you say, "I don't care if the people who are in there can barely read an if loop.", why does it need to be private then? You have no objections, in your own words, as to a member's abilities. That is the pinacle of this ongoing debate.

Thank you for putting it in writing that you don't mind anyone else going in there regardless of their abilty.

So with me and you and tgreer and Joeychgo we have a good start for a motion to make the "coders forum" a regular forum.

Great work and thanks for the opportunity to work with you.

[Dean C]

Originally Posted by rogersnm

They don't ask you, and they don't pay you. This place is used as there free research center. WHICH IS WRONG

You can't patent features for vBulletin boards. How naive are you!

[Paul M]

Originally Posted by rogersnm

i disagree completely. Many coders make free mods on this site and then jelsoft just come a long and pick up any mods they like and stuff it in the next version of vB without the users permission which is breaking the rules of this site. So if we want to realease paid hacks then we should seeing as jelsoft get paid for our work.

What complete nonsense. Jelsoft may take the idea (since it's obviously popular) but they don't use the code.

Originally Posted by Brad

Jelsoft is not taking your code and putting it in their software, they are adding things to their product that their customers request. If you see an add-on with over 2000 installs it would be crazy not to say "Hey a lot of people are using it, and we're getting threads about it on vBulletin.com all the time. I think it would be a good idea to add that as it's something our customers would really enjoy".

Funnily enough, the only mod with over 2000 installs is not included, but if it ever were, I would not be knocking on their door looking for payment (nor I expect would any of the other people who have produced a similar thing over the various versions of vb ).

[Zachery]

Originally Posted by rogersnm

To use an example Livewire's vBSigHosting hack. He did not get contacted.

Most of the new feature is/was based on andreas's sig limits, and they added the ability to have an attachment in the sig.

[rogersnm]

what ever i am not in the mood to argue so lets just drop it and ge3t back on topic.

[Freddie Bingham]

There are only two instances of where we have used contributed code.

The original Poll hack by Doron was integrated (in 1.x I believe). The second instance is when I integrated Overgrow's Karma. In both instances this was only done after the author granted permission.

We do not look at the source of your modifications. Frankly, we do not need to view your source code to be able to program a feature that serves the same purpose. Customers ask for features, we add them to the internal feature list and rank them. We then go down the list adding the features. I am sure that some of these requests come from customers that saw such a feature here and they serve as the middleman. We don't come trolling here looking for ideas, as we have no shortage of ideas. If we used this website for our ideas, then why don't we have RPG addons, uCash, Arcade, and all the other popular hacks? With 3.6 we simply added items that were requested frequently on vBulletin.com. I think you'll find the infraction system doesn't function like the Warning System hacks. That is because I programmed it with my own goals, not basing it on anything that was already established. Hence people complain that it doesn't actually change usergroups like the hacks.

Why are we being accused of stealing a signature limiting system when phpBB had the same thing before any hack existed on this forum? I've long suggested that we must limit signature images by forcing them to be uploaded like Avatars. It was on the 2.x todo list but didn't make the cut.

Just look here.

I couldn't tell you what the most popular hacks are or what gets installed often. Part of the problem with this website is that we (developers) do not browse this website very often and have no idea what is going on here. I only found this thread because Zachery pointed it out to me. Please don't be so quick off the handle to accuse us of theft. We have rather high standards and would have to quit before we would ever use anyone else's code again.

We appreciate the importance of this website to the future of vBulletin. The presented issues are being examined and we hope to be able to keep this communit vibrant and active.

[Christine]

Well this went off topic. :/

Sad that a dev had to jump in to defend their additions to the core install -- as if anyone with a text editor couldn't see that the code is not the same as the hacks.

Personally, I was ELATED the day I heard that I wouldn't have to hack for persistent mark forum read any longer. It isn't about ego (or shouldn't be) -- the more that goes into the core install, the less we ALL have to fiddle with on updates. 3 of my minor releases for 3.5 became irrelevant with 3.6 and I couldn't be happier about that.

Color me old school, but I will take SourceForge over Commercial any day.

That said -- I wanted to note something. I noticed that the majority of the threads in VB General Mod Discussions are answered/addressed by the .org team. I for one will plan to make that my first stop here and address anything I am capable of giving a coherent answer to. I would challenge others to do the same -- as we were ALL new to this once.