Suggestions: How to bring vBulletin.org back to what it was before...

[TECK]

Originally Posted by Borgs8472

TECK, I've only ever done any programming that's had practical use for my vbulletin sites. I'm a little hurt by your suggestion that vb.org shouldn't be a place to learn HTML.

What I ment was putting focus on the actual hacks, not to learn how to make a HTML table, for example.
Sorry for misunderstanding. I thought the words "flower design" will reflect that.
One detail:



This was designed in the golden time by a guy called nakkid.
Do you know him? He was involved in HTML and graphic design at vB.org site, not only in hacks.
He put a lot of heart to the vB.org users, just to make this place a better one, asking nothing in exchange.

EDIT: Someone deleted a part of this post... it was important, not considered off topic.

[G0F0RBR0KE]

Hacks, Coders? Aren't they the same?

Some people love to be called Hacks or Coders!

When you make a hack, ur consider a coder. Even if you don't like to be called a "coder" or a "hacker."

I say it should stay like this.

[TECK]

Why the mods deleted a part of post above? Related to the thread advertising posted by another user?
Ahh, I guess the offtopic rule is enforced.

However, it should it stay, because it was highlighting an important point, related to advertising commercial hacks all over this board.
Please do not delete those posts that have a tangence with vB.org rules. Thank you.

[MJM]

What's that intergalactic theme? ..
... to go places where we have never been before

May be it's time to close this chapter and move on to the future.

Honestly don't you think that everything that's been said here has been said before?

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Originally Posted by TECK

EDIT: Someone deleted a part of this post... it was important, not considered off topic.

Since you editted the same post after that, i can not see who or why edited your post anymore, not do i know what was removed.

I suggest that if you still remember the name of the Staff Member who edited it, you PM him/her to ask for an explanation (that is if you where not sent a PM).

[Chris M]

The HTML Discussions within this thread have been moved to a new thread, here: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=118710

Please try and keep on-topic

Chris

[ubblite]

Originally Posted by TECK

Basic Rules:
1. No paying hacks allowed. If you want to make money, you are not welcome to advertise your products at vB.org site, in links, any way or shape of promotion schemes.

I just posted something similar in another thread, but you are very correct on this. Once paying for hacks becomes the norm, some people will sway from vBulletin because that was one of the reasons they chose VB in the first place, which is for additional code at no cost. I'd have to think the heads over at vBulletin realize this as potential income loss for VB, and are keeping a very close eye on the situation over here.

Originally Posted by TECK

2. No bashing or making fun of the new guys. Warnings and bans for those smart guys.

Yeah, I see this from certain people - I mean, if you are just starting to install code and ask a question for the first time and get a rude response, it sure won't help get very many people off to a good start here which can lead to the degradation of vb.org.

Originally Posted by TECK

4. Help anyone, not only yourself. Do not be lazy to post, if you know the answer... someone will thank you and help you with other things... like for example promoting your website?

Great tip - this will definitely help the community here.

[Revan]

Originally Posted by ubblite

I just posted something similar in another thread, but you are very correct on this. Once paying for hacks becomes the norm, some people will sway from vBulletin because that was one of the reasons they chose VB in the first place, which is for additional code at no cost. I'd have to think the heads over at vBulletin realize this as potential income loss for VB, and are keeping a very close eye on the situation over here.

That's a complete and utter load. People still pay for vBSEO don't they?
It is foolish to think that the moment someone will have to pay to advertise their paid hack here, everybody will turn their little 1 liner hack into a paid hack for which the "rent" is larger than the cost of the hack.

"No paid hack discussion" is a thing of the past which will have to end if vBulletin.org is to re-claim the title as the ultimate vBulletin resource, which at the moment it is not.
You didn't see paid hack discussions back in "ye goode olde dayse" because people didn't know they *could* charge for vB hacks.
It's quite moronic to think that the vBulletin coding community is exactly the same as back 5 years ago.

Stop being so narrow minded, please.

[sabret00the]

All this talk about the good old days. honestly when i think of the good old days, the only person i can think of who tried to uphold those values was Boofo. The good old days are gone, dead. there is nothing here no more, except for mods and extensions. renamed in order to appeal to a wider market who weren't comfortable with the fact that modifying your source code for the benefit of your community voids your right to moan to jelsoft.

the good old days? oh how it's so easy to moan and want to relive an era long lost? how are you going to get back to the good old days with half a moderating team that doesn't deserve to be there?

coders talk about feeling appreciated and it's a farce, you either do what you do because you enjoy it or you do it for the reward it's that simple. knowing that someone clicked installed isn't going to fix anything bar inflate your ego, knowing someone appreciated using something you made and shared isn't the same as clicking a button.

and all of paid hacks are evil crap is crap, long before any of us hacked vBulletin we paid for it, ok some folks warez'd it first but you get my drift, whether you want to say they shouldn't be available on here or not is another issue but paid hacks are far from evil.

the funny thing is, to the best of my knowledge if my license ran out tomorrow despite my however many hundred installs i wouldn't be able to download hacks or get support here any more, now that's real gratitude for you.

the thing is you all need to wake up, you got a mix of teenagers from a get everything now culture which is being incubated by the ease of plugins and then you have the corperates who act like they're paying for your work. this place as a community is dead get used to it.

whether people like it or not this is a PHP community and yet PHP has zero focus on the outside, what community is there for PHP discussions? and coding help? it doesn't exist. you can't have a community without the community spirit. you post a dilemma here, at sitepoint and on lj's php comm's at the same time and i promise you, you'll realise just how much of a community spirit there is here? it's like people are like don't bump your threads too regularly, well guess what if it was else where you wouldn't have a chance too because community spirit exists.

This isn't any sort of vBulletin resource, it's a smash and grab 5000 greedy admins come on here every day without reading instructions just wanting, wanting, wanting, no one wants to give back. of course there are exceptions i've seen amy and christian in a couple threads for mods. the bottom line is no one here helps unless you help them.

there is no striving for excellence no more, no encouragement, no appreciation of the code, no appreciation of the concepts, everyone just want, and when they don't get they throw tantrums.

The worst thing that could've ever happend to this place was for Jelsoft to take control because Jelsoft see it as a good given right of an addon to there flagship product and thus the onus on who to please is the end user and the bottom line is, this place should have remained like taboo.

This is supposed to be about coders and the code and perhaps the most signifcant conversation i've seen on the code was actually on sitepoint. yeah times change and that's good and dandy but this?...

[amykhar]

if my license ran out tomorrow despite my however many hundred installs i wouldn't be able to download hacks or get support here any more, now that's real gratitude for you.

Not true unless you have a leased license