Trusted Coder/Designer Scheme for VB.org

[Marco van Herwaarden]

Nothing changed to change our view on this since this post: https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showpost....2&postcount=49

if we track the requests more, we can see that since 2002, nothing changed... and their arguments are fair and correct... for some people, there is a need for a global sticky about this, i think.. lol

Originally Posted by iogames

poor Nexialys

actually i would be one with only positive feedbacks, as i do not release anything here... if you start making negative feedbacks only because i did not answer your requests, or if you just not like me, it's pathetic... ;(

(i say "you", but it's not toward anybody here!)

[lasto]

The way i see it is this :

Scammers can freely go around this board and get away with it.
If we complain or god forbid ask them for our money back we risk a ban or get accused of trolling threads (esp since the scammers simply ignore pm`s)

There is no recourse for them but plenty for us.VB.org does not have a system in place to protect either party - and if we use the tools `as provided` it simply means nothing - its just text,words which mean nothing as many people do not use search to check up on members.
What action is taken when something goes wrong - how come the scammers who have been reported are freely browsing the board and taking new jobs.
The answer is simple :

They done nothing to the board - so they allowed and because we ourselfs have a problem then its up to us to take it elsewhere and sort it out and not post anything about it on here.
Ive had numerous posts edited by MODS because its not in the boards interest.

Im close to a Ban as well but when i get a ban - remember this - The scammers who ripped me off will proberly be taking your job from paid request section and theres nothing u can do if they rip u off.

[UKBusinessLive]

lasto, I'm pretty sure you won't get banned for pointing out that you were ripped off, I think anyone who's a victim in any type of case, cannot be vitimised if they speak out and let others know of the Dangers.

I'm sure all the admins here at VB.org are looking into this as we speak, so hang in there. Only this weekend gabby got stung, so i'm sure something going to get done mate.

VB.org is a great forum and there are many honest people that would go out of their way to help. Its sad things like this happen but thats life it'll happen on any forum given half the chance.

We just need to be extra careful, Get recommendations from others and only part with money after the job has been done, if a coder want money up front, then look elsewhere as thes probably loads that would help for free.

I know yopu lost a large sum of money, but at least you won't make the same mistake twice.

Hang in there mate

Gerry

[lasto]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

lasto, I'm pretty sure you won't get banned for pointing out that you were ripped off, I think anyone who's a victim in any type of case, cannot be vitimised if they speak out and let others know of the Dangers.

I'm sure all the admins here at VB.org are looking into this as we speak, so hang in there. Only this weekend gabby got stung, so i'm sure something going to get done mate.

VB.org is a great forum and there are many honest people that would go out of their way to help. Its sad things like this happen but thats life it'll happen on any forum given half the chance.

We just need to be extra careful, Get recommendations from others and only part with money after the job has been done, if a coder want money up front, then look elsewhere as thes probably loads that would help for free.

I know yopu lost a large sum of money, but at least you won't make the same mistake twice.

Hang in there mate

Gerry

Do u want to bet - i did get stung twice.Check my sig.
Also im not holding my breath as the second job i was ripped off on was taken last september and the person is still browsing freely.
All they do is ignore PMS and hope it will go away.Look at it this way - Scammers dont even need to use the actual board so long as they got the pm system and from that they just need to Pm anyone who posts a job in the request section.
They should be made to reply to the job - and not by way of the PM system.Nobody even knows they are still active until u get a pm from them

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by lasto

Do u want to bet - i did get stung twice.Check my sig.
Also im not holding my breath as the second job i was ripped off on was taken last september and the person is still browsing freely.
All they do is ignore PMS and hope it will go away.Look at it this way - Scammers dont even need to use the actual board so long as they got the pm system and from that they just need to Pm anyone who posts a job in the request section.
They should be made to reply to the job - and not by way of the PM system.Nobody even knows they are still active until u get a pm from them

How about if we coders and designers came up with a voluntry code of practice, that would be adhered to, giving both parties piece of mind. If we signed up voluntarily and agreed to a few ground rules then surely that would put the faith back into the community?

I'm sure people here be willing to get a job done and then get paid afterwards, or even use a 3rd party as an escrow service, I don't know??? But could it be something we could expand on and get the ideas coming in???

[lasto]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

How about if we coders and designers came up with a voluntry code of practice, that would be adhered to, giving both parties piece of mind. If we signed up voluntarily and agreed to a few ground rules then surely that would put the faith back into the community?

I'm sure people here be willing to get a job done and then get paid afterwards, or even use a 3rd party as an escrow service, I don't know??? But could it be something we could expand on and get the ideas coming in???

that wont work simply because theres always people who are willing to rip others off.
Even though ive had 2 people who ripped me off and get away with it,Ive still had many success stories with other coders who have took jobs and completed the work.
Is just a few bad eggs out there,but without the proper feedback system in place they wont be weeded out,so we back to square one.
Over the years Vb.Org has been told that people are gettin ripped big style on here but they do nothing,as its not their problem.They wont implement anything to make our lifes easier or something where u can see at a glance if the user has had much success in the past.
The onus is always on the requester to do searches and then even when u find a coder/designer who seems right for the job it dont mean u wont get stung.
Now when it goes wrong all you are allowed to do is post a short post (to your orginal request) with who took the job and what went wrong - anythin else and the mods go mad in Edit mode.
And that im afraid is the end of it - you have to carry on your life as if everything fine.Even though you mega p***** that the other party has got away with it.

[GSeybold]

For what my two cents is worth. I think vb.org should either have a rating system or stop paid projects all together. I'm considering creating a forum for paid projects and it WILL have a ratings system. I think there is a great need for an exclusive forum like this for two reasons. One is that there are a great deal of very talented individuals out there that could use a little bit of extra cash and running live publically viewed contests is kind of fun. I would also make designers/coders have to submit an application first and a non refundable monthly participation fee.

I work way to hard for my money to have some scumbag take it for free.

Gabby

[KW802]

Originally Posted by GSeybold

... I'm considering creating a forum for paid projects and it WILL have a ratings system. I think there is a great need for an exclusive forum like this for two reasons. ...

It's been tried & done before; some efforts were by unknowns & some were by some pretty common names in the vB community. All failed for various reasons.

Originally Posted by GSeybold

I would also make designers/coders have to submit an application first and a non refundable monthly participation fee.

That part in bold will likely ensure failure before the project even got started.

The solution is what you've already said...

Originally Posted by GSeybold

... I think vb.org should either have a rating system or stop paid projects all together. ...

Whether the vB.org staff care enough to accept it not, vB.org is still the master 'hub' for a lot of the freelance work in the vB community. As long as it remains to run like it is today, then the scammers will remain rampant and those who get ripped off are the ones who get penalized. As others have said... throw iTrader up and let the vB community police ourselves.