Scammers break vB coders reputation...

[Lizard King]

I also agree that Jelsoft shall act on thismatter and prepare a new site just for paid requests. The new site may also include a paid directory for paid addon scripts which has been requested for a long time. This way Jelsoft will have the ability to promote their product better.

With the current structure it is impossible for users to track the coders or designers reputation at all. For example if i didn't read the following thread how the hack i can know about *** Link removed, no need for individual examples *** that guys reputation. I know that is not the first case for him either. I know that because i read paid requests section from time to time but most users donot. Thats why there must be some improvements within the current structure.

[Dismounted]

But if Jelsoft does decide to open such a site, there will be the same amount of "scammers" anyway. And more liability will be put on Jelsoft.

but who ask that Jelsoft open that site?!... why not let this in the arms of some other persons ?... sponsorship or simply an approval would do it...

you say it all day long, vb.org is not from Jelsoft directly, but have the approval to be the official hackers site... we all know that this is false and it is now part of the ownership, but hey, it is easy to "not be"...

a commercial site with more than just reviews and rating is needed, rating is part of the protection.. most of the time, the people get scammed by someone who ask to be paid upfront... even just 20% is a loss when the job is not delivered... if the system is managed by Escrow or something else, there is no loss... do you have the habbit to loose 500$ in the street for no reason if your upfront is 20% of your project of 2500$ ?!... usually you have to pay even a little bit upfront for all the jobs you will ask for...

[Dismounted]

Originally Posted by nexialys

but who ask that Jelsoft open that site?!...

Lizard King did

Originally Posted by Dismounted

Lizard King did

This guy is strange... forgive him, he think he is a King.... rofl

on my side, i actually think that IB would have a good opportunity here, not Jelsoft... if the owners start a site of that kind, they would control a major part of the business instead of loosing it due to bad management... but hey, i'm just a web consultant.

[smacklan]

There's already a site like you are describing Nex, getafreelancer.com. Works well and you can find good vb coders there.

yeah, i know about all these freelancers websites... the problem is that it is not representative of our community either... and these are not refered by Jelsoft... when you want a coder to do a task on your vB, here and at the .com would be able to say "go to vb-lancers.com" or something... you understand the point...? for now they go at vb.org, and get scammed most of the time if not simply abandonned... most of the requests in the paid services are not even answered...

on freelancers sites, i can say that most requests are filled... because every coder who go there is reading the requests.. that's the reason why they are there... on vb.org, their main reason is the mods section.

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hum, btw... do you know that most of the great coders who have quit in the last years are now independant and continue to code vBulletin hacks in private, commercially... if these guys have a place where to meet as commercial coders, they would be a benefit for the community -- we would know about their products...

instead, there is no actual commercial deal with Jelsoft for no reason, there is no place where to have a showroom or a directory, and that gives no point in them.. they would come back, with a real solution

[smacklan]

I agree with your position on this Nex, but I think you know Jelsoft will never officially support or recommend such a site or section on one of their sites. It never has made much sense to me because the cottage industry (coders and designers) that have enjoyed success due to vbulletin also provide value back to vbulletin making their product more marketable. I never check the paid request forum here anymore and haven't in a long time. I agree, it would probably be a good idea if it were to go away.

Originally Posted by Danny.VBT

Nexialys, you are a programmer and I'm sure you may have been on the opposite end of the stick (a client scamming a coder).

sure i was scammed on some small occasions, where clients refused to pay after i work for 10 or 20 hours... my result: i released the codes for free so they lost their exclusivity...

btw, i got scammed on a bigger project, everybody knows about it... i was scammed by my own team on PostNuke... guys with not much references, no real experience with big projects, and me with too much confidence on guys with big mouth... i've quit the project i started because it was a kindergarden.

also, this is why the Paid Requests are not good... when a client is scamming a coder, nobody knows... because the coder can't rate a client, and a coder can't comment in the client's request. i've tried already, trying to give a comment about a client who tried to scam me for 2000$... never my comment was posted in the request thread, because it was my opinion in stakes, not his... (and no i did not put the thread url because i know it will be deleted!)

/me sighs.

Well if we can't bring up specifics, it's very hard to make a point. Since my post was deleted, I'll just say that I agree with Nexi and that I don't think the current system is working in the best interest of the memberbase here.