GAVE UP

[Disco_Dave]

Originally Posted by RichieBoy67

I was helping you mate but was first focusing on the themes. I could have had this all sorted for you today.

Do you have the complete back up? Files, etc for the old site?

I've also been trying to help via pm's

I've also looked at his cpanel. He needs to upload his old database, and re-upload all the 3.8.7 files. But he can't understand how to do it......

[RichieBoy67]

My advice would be to stick it out with 4.2.. First remove all the old mods for 3.8 that will no longer work with 4.2... Then install the ones you want for 4.2...

Restoring a back up may not be too easy for someone who does not know how to do it though if you have cpanel it is pretty easy.

Take all your 4.2 files and put then in a directory for safe keeping--Call it 4-2 back up or something.. Then you have a clean root. Upload your 3.8 files in the same structure.

Then I would just create a new database and import the back up you have there. Use ssh or even cpanel. Change your includes/config to match and you are set..

This way if you have an issue you can go back to 4.2 very easily and you do not risk losing any data.

Right now the issues you are having are mostly cosmetic and superficial and pretty easily fixed though. It is just that you have so many, many plug ins installed for 3.8. There are only a couple installed that will even work with 4.2.. The others will cause issues.

Last night though you had asked for help with your themes so that was what I was focusing on. I did not even look into your plug ins except to look for the plug in that was messing up the template.

At any rate, follow the above instructions and you should be able to restore your 3.8 site without any drama.

[Max Taxable]

Hate seeing this but it's not like it's unusual - most people who "upgrade" from v3.8.7 never really think too much about why, and never ask themselves THE key question. What is the compelling reason.

If they asked that, they would quickly realize there isn't one and save themselves alot of misery.

Apply the ages old and proven adage: If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[RichieBoy67]

Originally Posted by Max Taxable

Hate seeing this but it's not like it's unusual - most people who "upgrade" from v3.8.7 never really think too much about why, and never ask themselves THE key question. What is the compelling reason.

If they asked that, they would quickly realize there isn't one and save themselves alot of misery.

Apply the ages old and proven adage: If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Hey Max, I know you are like an anti 4.2er..lol but the fact is this is not really an issue with 4.2 itself. The issue is that there many, many mods that were made for 3.8 and were not removed before upgrading. Ofcourse these mods are not going to work and are going to cause problems with the site itself and with newer mods.

The compelling reason to upgrade is all the added new features that 4.2 has over 3.8 not to mention the latest 4.2.2 will work well with php5.4. Not to bash 3.8 but it is like comparing an Xbox 360 to an Xbox One.

[K4GAP]

Originally Posted by Terrablade

Ok I gave up. Tired of fighting with vb 4.2.2. Dont even know why i left 3.8.7 .. Question for you guys. If i delete everything from ftp and upload the whole backup i got from 3.8.7 will it be ok? Or is there a method i can go back to how I was with this backup?

Exactly what is it you are having trouble with on 4.2.2 ?

I think maybe your problem is you have not allowed enough time to pass so that you can become familiar with the changes.

I run 4.2.2 and love it! I didn't always love it. But once I became familiar with it there's no way I would revert to any of the 3.X

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by RichieBoy67

The compelling reason to upgrade is all the added new features that 4.2 has over 3.8 not to mention the latest 4.2.2 will work well with php5.4. Not to bash 3.8 but it is like comparing an Xbox 360 to an Xbox One.

You should read my article linked, in reality there are no compelling reasons to leave v3.8.7(8). Compelling being the key word. Especially if the 3.8.7(8) is serving the community well. Look at the top ten sites using vBulletin, only one of those is a v4. And the owners of that site rue the day they ever "upgraded."

I'm not anti v4. I don't tell people not to "upgrade" I simply point out there's no compelling reason for it, and they'll regret it as most do. I just try to help people go into such a step with open eyes, to take a moment to THINK about it first instead of just jumping in for no apparent reason, as the OP said.

Incompatibility with some v3 mods isn't the only issue, in fact it's just a minor one. v4 is bloated, runs slower and is a wet paper sack for security. It's "great new features" are mostly, v3 modifications that were made default in v4.

3.8.8 works just fine with PHP 5.4, and 3.8.7 is brought into compliance with it, without a great deal of work involved.

"Upgrade" if one must, but don't say I didn't try to warn you.

[Disco_Stu]

They should not be calling newer versions of vBulletin "upgrades". In many cases you have to uninstall and then reinstall so much that it's like buying an entirely new product and starting at the beginning all over again.

I have 4.2 and I like it but that's because that's the version I started out with. I refuse to "upgrade" to 5.x because I , like many other site ops, have installed many mods from this site and most of these mods will not work with 5.x so it's like dismantling my site and starting over. What advantages could 5.x possibly give me to want me to toss all the time and effort I've gone thru just to "upgrade" to a newer version?

[Terrablade]

You have all been a good help. Im back at 3.8 thanks to the help of you folks. I was moved more because of the Mods that were not available for vb 3.8. But I learn the hard way and did so, I prefer asking or paying a few bucks for a custom mod to fit vb 3.8 than going through this headache again. Its not gonna happen again I can assure you all.

[Max Taxable]

Originally Posted by Disco_Stu

They should not be calling newer versions of vBulletin "upgrades". In many cases you have to uninstall and then reinstall so much that it's like buying an entirely new product and starting at the beginning all over again.

I have 4.2 and I like it but that's because that's the version I started out with. I refuse to "upgrade" to 5.x because I , like many other site ops, have installed many mods from this site and most of these mods will not work with 5.x so it's like dismantling my site and starting over. What advantages could 5.x possibly give me to want me to toss all the time and effort I've gone thru just to "upgrade" to a newer version?

Plus much more than the difference between v3 and v4, v5 is a complete departure from anything in any way related to vBulletin. Nothing from the past is compatible with it. And users, hate it.

[RichieBoy67]

Users hate it? Cmon Max.. really?

it is a transition for users when switching to a new version but they get used to it and on sites I have upgraded, many over the years they end up liking it much more.

As for V5 I will not speak on that because I am not familiar with it..

And 4.2 upgrades from 3.8 are difficult in terms of certain plug ins and themes but in the end it is way better. There are so many more features and options and end user options. Many things you probably have mods for in 3.8 are built right into 4.2..

when upgrading though you have to go through your mods and see what will carryover.

Anyhow, I was mainly replying to the comment that users hate it. I think most users find it an improvement once they get over the initial changes. bAgain, I am talking about 4.2..Not 5.