Where vB is going wrong

[Tony G]

Originally Posted by nexialys

[high]* nexialys know nook and cranny... they are in vacation 'til the Hacks dB is out![/high]

I'll never use that expression again

[LBSources]

here is something that would pee me off if i was a member for so long and see things get this bad..

https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=106154

he has seen it done, but doesnt want to search.. wants it to come to him.. not cool at all ..

Lenny

[Regs]

I took it to mean he had seen it done on another site, not necessarily the 'hack' on this site? I dunno,seemed like a pretty innocent exchange...

Originally Posted by LBSources

he has seen it done, but doesnt want to search.. wants it to come to him.. not cool at all ..

you have to remember that many clients that bought vBulletin think that this community owe them something because they invested 160$ on the product that make this site lives...

until we charge for the visits on vb.org, we will have such lazy requests, and we will have bored coders that will answer them (with comments like "use the search function"...)

i even got some PM lately from people that come to me in pm just to ask me what i was referring to in a post... shit, why can't they just ask in the follow up of the thread...

i also receive a lot of requests from new users about hacks they want to have on their site... why bother me with that, this is not a freelancer website where you can contact any guy and ask for a job...

sometimes i wonder why the pm system is available for new members...

anyway... this is my rant!

[Paul M]

Perhaps some members are more polite to people who PM them with questions ....

[calorie]

Some time back I too thought that this place was becoming more unfriendly, but then later I gave some thought to the fact that since my time here there have been over 75,000 new members. Now I just counted 13 master coders and 43 advanced coders in about 20 pages of the member list before I got bored.

At last check there were 112,131 members, and if we make the assumption that there are 100 'experienced' coders here, the numbers show that (112,131 members - 100 'experienced' coders) / 100 'experienced' coders => 1 'experienced' coder for every 1,120 members.

Even if we assume that, of the 365 pages currently in the member list, there are (13 + 43) = 56 'experienced' coders every 20 pages, that'd be a total of 1,022 'experienced' coders so (112,131 members - 1,022 'experienced' coders) / 1,022 'experienced' coders => 1 'experienced' coder for every 108 members.

Caveat: 'experienced' coder is based on 'master coder' or 'advanced coder' title alone, so please don't feel offended if you are experienced but have a different user title.

While it's not an excuse to be rude, the point is that this site is growing, and in the time it took to compose this message, there have been 15 new members.

Originally Posted by Paul M

Perhaps some members are more polite to people who PM them with questions ....

maybe, but when you state in your signature that you don't code anymore, and you continue to receive unique requests in PM... not funny...

when you state in your releases that you are available for questions in PM, no trouble, this is correct... but new members that send you 2 or 3 pm just to say they are not happy with your attitude because they want you to code for them, i think it's enough for some guys to be really annoyed by new members that know nothing of the rules of life.

Originally Posted by calorie

While it's not an excuse to be rude, the point is that this site is growing, and in the time it took to compose this message, there have been 15 new members.

lol.. you think too slowly, or you are sleeping on your keyboard calorie.. lol

i think that if this site becomes a Support Forum for any kind of vBulletin related codes/requests, the site needs a solid technical team... there is actually none... moderators for forums are not tech guys... a forum like "ask the tech" is not built, so people ask anybody about anykind of questions...

new edit:the problem i also that on vbulletin.com, when a client ask for a modification of the forum, he is redirected here right away... this is illogical... vbulletin.com is the first line of service, and they offer none if you want to edit even a single line...

there is no Frontline Support Forum here, nobody paid by Jelsoft to answer all requests redirected from vb.com... this is a major lack in the Public communications... people think that when they come here, they will have all the support and codes they need because the company said that...

this need to be fixed... even if the vb.org guys think that's not the goal of this site.

[MRGTB]

There is a flip side to this though. One could argue that if a hack is released as "un-supported" right from the start and then quite a few bugs are quickly found with no fixes coming forward from the author becuase he advertised from the start it's un-supported.

Why should that hack remain on the site? Should it not be removed as a problem hack with no support at all. To avoid members installing it and causing problems with there site, only to find there has been no help and support with that hack right from the very word go. And when they try and get help from others they get a door slammed in there face saying things like: "Read the title - It says Un-Supported".

I would have thought the main aim of vB.org is quality, not quantity.

From my point of view, while I understand that people have real lives out there that take up there time. If a person knows when he releases a hack he simply doesn't have the time to add at least "some support" to it. I think he should think twice about even releasing it until he can at least add some limited support to it. As 99 times out of 100. Bugs are found in most hacks sooner or later.

[Telegon80]

on the longer threads where people ask a question no page 75 i dont expect a response... i wouldnt type a response either.

i would assume we are all admins and we sortof know how vbulletin works. u can always do a 'search this thread' and find the answer to your problem instead of waiting for someone to cut the fruit into little squares and put it in your mouth.

[/search nazi]

p.s. i know squat about 'coding' yet i always find my answers by searching, and yes i do have unanswered hack requests, but then again if everyone here is on my level which i assume they are, working 40+ hours a week then its hard to get to do stuff on the side for total strangers. just my 2 cents.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by Mark.B

Not everyone rips you off Paul, but a significant minority do.

You only have to look at the number of threads about this, or the number of people with comments in their sig about "never pay anyone til they've done the work".

There's clearly a hardcore of dodgy people who are sullying the name of genuine types such as yourself.

I think the majority of that blame falls on the part of the buyer that failed to do their research before sending money. If members would do some research on the prospective person they want to hire it would eliminate 99% of the problems. Mind you there will still be the occasional person with great reputation that scams someone, but in most cases it comes down to poor judgement calls. Would you give a complete stranger $10,000 up front to let's say redo your roof ? Of course not. It defies common logic to do so. If anything you give a much smaller deposit, and then you give the final percentage when the job is finished. I guess I just don't get how people fail to understand that the same logic applies to online dealings ?