The Arcive of Official vBulletin Modifications Site.It is not a VB3 engine, just a parsed copy! |
|
#361
|
||||
|
||||
![]()
This seems to be a discussion amongst coders for the benefit of coders so I am going to stay out of it but I did want to post something to the coders from a consumer standpoint.
I don't expect anything for free. I can only imagine the time some of you take to create your hacks and additions, plus reading some of the responses you get in your support threads leaves me shaking my head in disbelief sometimes. I love it when you guys that offer paid hacks release nice little hacks and even major additions for free here at vb.org. It gives me chance to see and evaluate your product. Some examples of this are: I installed vBadvanced CMS, when it came time for me to purchase a Gallery, the first place I went was of course vBadvanced. Price had nothing to do with it. I recently installed Geek Gallery Popup 4.0 and it works flawless. Now that I will be needing a new article system for 3.5.1 I am fairly certain I will be purchasing GARS from The Geek once it is out of beta. If cinq, another coder who I hold in high regard, was to offer his glossary for free, I would visit his site. If I found that he had an article system for sale as well, it might make my choice even harder to make as for which one to buy. These free add-ons can bring people to your sites for additional purchases. All the great vb coders that I know about I have heard about them here at vb.org. Either by using one of their releases or just hearing about them around this site. I have no use for any kind of directory for paid add-ons. I am sure there are plenty of people that would have an interest in this but I am a firm believer in word of mouth advertising. Everything I need to know I can learn here at vb.org Thanks again. |
#362
|
||||
|
||||
![]()
If nothing else, I think this threads proves that if it were an option there are people who would find it useful.
|
#363
|
||||
|
||||
![]() Quote:
On another note, whatever modifications I release will NOT be paid ones. |
#364
|
||||
|
||||
![]() Quote:
|
#365
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
MPDEV; You point out that there are plenty of free forums with add ons.
The reason i picked vBullitin is because this is fore me the moste secure product. And with all the good hacks and addons here, this is what i wanted. I run a non commersial site, with a small group of ladies. Witch i know there is a lot of in my country. This is a group with not the most money on the side. We do this fore fun and to satisfie our members, not to put a lot of money in it. If i cant use vBullitin, i will not keep this forum. If i want to bye a hack, there is money i have to save fore sometime. I hope you make a poll on this, because i dont think the majoritet here has a LOT of money to spend on this. |
#366
|
||||
|
||||
![]() Quote:
I gave (and continue give) to .org because I love to code and even more love to know I have helped someone get a bit more from their site. If you count up my time I have given here in FOC work and time spent supporting that code, it could rival the time that some of the Mods around here spend on the site. That isn't a nod at mods, thats to try and say that I have (and continue to do so) given a lot of time around than a lot of other contributors in the past year (which you seem to forget). Furthermore, your accusation that all I am trying to do is make money off .org is about as off mark as you can get. I make very good money in my full time job which has always allowed me to give away my free time for free. Now however all I ask is that if you chose to take advantage of that time - you pitch a bit in. I charge piss all for my work and therefore I make next to nothing for it and I plan to keep it that way. In fact, I have given over 50% of what I have grossed so far into sponsoring OTHER vb resource sites because I felt it was giving back to the community. If the .10p an hour is me being greedy then call me Uncle Scrooge. I have never belittled anyone that has given time to the community - in fact I started this thread because your 'loving, caring, supportive community' was belittling each other without so much of a word from you. What I have tried to do in the continuing discussion is to put things in perspective which you continuously distort. Since your mission seems only to paint me as some mean, greedy leech it suits your purpose quite well however it really makes me question the meaning of the word 'moderator'. Regardless I am well past caring how you try to muddy the discussion (and facts), from what I have witnessed here, there is a actually a very loud voice for those that would find benefit for a way to become more informed about commercial systems. I suggested a poll awhile back - why not run it? Lets see how many of those that do give to the community actually vote that they are totally against being informed of commercial solutions (unlikely). Rather lets see how many non givers are totally against the imaginary threat of losing their 'endless well of free work' (which is as paranoid as it is implausible). The reality is that most are at worse apathetic to it, but in all reality they feel it may be of some benefit. Only those with over active imaginations think that everyone will stop making FOC work. See, there seems to be this fear that if there is an avenue for commercial information that suddenly everyone is going to charge for their work. The theme seems to be 'ignorance will keep them working for nothing'. That isn't very community spirit. I would think we would encourage those that have put in the effort to grow to a point where they can be commercially rewarded for all their hard work - not kept in the dark so you can continue to get free stuff off of them. People also seem to forget 1 key aspect of providing commercial information here: You don't have to view it. You don't have to buy it. You can pretend its not even there. Therefore it doesn't even affect you so why be so hell bent for leather in order to take the option from those that want it? Lets face it, this thread was started in response to how .orgs community spirit is (and there is no commercial info section here now!). Maybe with the introduction of a commercial information section of the site - those that download free work will be that much more appreciative to those that give their time for free. Regardless, its time we all move forward - we all keep bantering back and forth and now its turned into a discussion with mostly the same people arguing their viewpoints and the only constructive proposals seem to be those who are interested in exploring additional avenues. Just do the poll, lets see the results and lets then put the results in perspective. Then you can stick it to me and say I told you so (which I am sure you will do in a number of ways). Would be interesting if you made it so the participants were those that has released at least 1 modification here - but then I'm sure that wouldn't work would it? |
#367
|
||||
|
||||
![]()
You're right. I retract everything and apologize.
|
#368
|
||||
|
||||
![]()
I think an informal poll is a good idea - for no other reason than it would stop this petty debate over weather anyone would actually use it.
https://vborg.vbsupport.ru/showthread.php?t=100721 |
#369
|
||||
|
||||
![]() Quote:
![]() ![]() |
#370
|
|||
|
|||
![]() Quote:
And unless the poll becomes something that every member has to vote on before they can continue at the site then I don't see it ever providing a good estimation of what all members of the community really feel. I also think if you want to get more support you're going to have to spell things out a little more specifically so its not just this vague concept of commercial hacks. What do you want .org to do? How should they moderate commercial hacks? should any hack be allowed to be released commercially here? Is there some way to set pricing standards? Should the sales be done here on this site? Should .org get a piece of the pie? Should coders be allowed to charge for sale of the code and support? What do you do if a hack has vulnerabilities and bugs? What do you do if the coder won't address the vulnerabilities/bugs? If .org handles the money, should they keep it for a specified amount of time to ensure support/fixes? How do you handle unsatisfied customers, customers that didn't get from the hack what they expected? are there refunds? What if one hack is incompatible with another hack? People paying for hacks are going to expect more in return, both in support and in performance/quality, which will increase the amount of time coders must put into the hack, will this be reflected in the pricing? Are coders ready to put that much more time into it (especially when they already have other 'well-paying' jobs)? How will allowing commercial hacks here affect the sales/image of vbulletin overall? Would code which is based on/uses licensed vbulletin code be allowed to be sold? Should there be a separate part of the site for the paid hacks or should they be integrated with the free ones? Should members that want premium hacks pay a monthly or yearly fee and the coders get some of that money based on the installs of their hacks (so long as usage is limited to those paying members)? Should there be a quota to the number of free hacks which a member can download/install before being required to donate something to the 'coders' pot'? I'm sure there's many other issues to consider, but its really not as simple as should they allow commercial hacks or not. I think the best way to handle this would be to rally the coders together and make your own site. If it seems to be handled well then maybe .org can consider integrating some of the ideas. |
![]() |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
X vBulletin 3.8.12 by vBS Debug Information | |
---|---|
|
|
![]() |
|
Template Usage:
Phrase Groups Available:
|
Included Files:
Hooks Called:
|