Uh oh, i hope this isn't right

[Dave]

Originally Posted by cellarius

Definitely not true. Maybe you were not around when vB4 was released, but if that wasn't a strom, I really don't know. People tend to forget that the first versions of vB4 were absolutely horrid. It became usable not before 4.0.7 or so, and what I would call stable not before 4.2. Not it's solid, thanks to the forum's codebase being still largely vB3 code - but if you want to see where vB5 comes from, just look at the vB4 CMS.

I agree although I have a feeling they simply ignore feedback and feature requests for vBulletin 5?
vBulletin 5 could be a good product if they simply listen to the developers and customers.