More staff leave vB....

[JacquiiDesigns]

Originally Posted by KTBleeding

I still disagree, you are trying to state factual information based on your opinion. I'm living, breathing proof that your blanket statement was false... Anyways, I disagree even more to this:


If anyone from Jelsoft said that, I would pack my bags for good. As a valid license holder, you have a right to express concern when red flags pop up. And even more so, your expressions should never be ignored and thought of as "worthless". We are, after all, what keeps vBulletin alive. I've had two licenses, and been a paying customer for over five years now.. and to be told that my opinions are worth absolutely nothing would be extremely insulting, ignorant, and narrow-minded.

And for the record, I (and I imagine several others in this thread) aren't necessarily concerned with vBulletin and future releases more so than JELSOFT, and the future of the company. Granted, everything could end up fine.. Employees do come and go.. however, losing several KEY developers all at once puts the icing on the cake.. Something fishy is going on, and as a paying customer, I don't feel it's wise to just ignore it and hope for the best.. I want answers, and I'm sure a lot of others feel the same way.

Oh God - didn't mean to inspire argument. I'm not in this thread to argue - trust me - I could spend my time better getting drunk or something. But the fact remains: There are some people who would not be happy with vBulletin if 4.0 Gold was released this very moment. There would be 100 threads about "We need this feature...", "Why was this feature not added to the release...?", "I think blablabla could be better..." etc... We know this as truth because it has happened with EVERY SINGLE VBULLETIN RELEASE SINCE THE INCEPTION OF VBULLETIN. There's nothing wrong with it - it's just fact: You cannot possibly please everyone at the same time - It's a logistical impossibility. Nothing more, nothing less.

So enough of that. No need to agree or disagree - it's just a fact.

I too am a paying customer. I too understand that concept that in a business - sometimes there are people getting the sack, others who move on to other things, some just simply die and a few tender their resignations for whatever reason, perhaps boredom... It's called life. And to be absolutely blunt - if you or I do not know exactly what has gone on behind the scenes with the vBulletin personnel - then it serves no purpose for us to spontaneously combust over hypothesis. Perhaps the absense of those who have left vB/IB will better the software in the long-run? Who knows? We don't know! The acute FACT of the situation is that it absolutely serves no purpose for us to speculate over what will be, when what will be has not arrived yet ==> If you haven't heard it from the horses mouth, then it is not a raucous neigh

Sure - My commentary is blunt and unemotional, but as far as I know - vBulletin (the software) is a block of code without any emotion, so my synonymous commentary is warranted and in good company.

Now - please do not misconstrue my commentary as saying "You do not have the right to worry about the progress and future of vBulletin." That IS NOT what I'm saying. Likewise - please do not assume to tell me that I'm telling you that you should not be concerned about vBulletin things. I'm not saying that either. I'm simply saying that I will not waste my time worrying about something I have absolutely no control over. I'm advising you to also not waste your time or energy worrying over something that you cannot change. That's a fool's game.

And though I'm foolish at times - I like to think that I'm more laidback and nonchalant. So - when you see me smiling as if there's no trouble in the world, know that I am probably sipping on a beer or smoking something which should be made legal. I will NOT be worrying about whether IB seeks out Kier to lick his behind and get him back on the vB team.

At anyrate - nothing but love for my fellow vBNerds. I hope this explains my feelings about this entire thing. I am not seeking to make any enemies; I can do bad by my damn self. I am not seeking to ruffle anyone's feathers, but then again I have never been much for goose down. I'm blunt in my opinion and convinced that my statement applies to ME only and as the saying goes -- what necessarily is for the big fat golden goose may not be for all the American-made muts.

Jacquii.

ps - hopefully through all of that - I have at least inspired a smile

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Originally Posted by Shelley_c

I disagree with you totally jacquii. The thread has turned out to be against customers not being able to express their concerns (what I've been saying throughout this thread). For some unknown reason, anyone showing concern (which is well within their rights as license holders) have that right to express their concern, for a software they have shown dedication to, and developed for for so many years. This isn't even about if vbulletin is going to be a success or not, but what the future holds, The companies agenda, which is concerning a lot of customers amongst other things. we can get into the whole conjecture and debate argument, but in no way has anyone flamed (which uk stated in his earlier responses). In no way have customers scare mongered (which was also accused). it's the ability for the customer to express their concerns which a few have made valid arguments for.

Now, in a totally different thread. I was asked by the same person what my views were, though when I expressed my views in this thread regarding allowing concern people being able to express their views this was slammed as scare mongering/flaming.

You point me to one instance where I or anyone showing concerns of scare mongering and/or flaming? I must have said this a hundred times, I am not concerned I have no doubt vbulletin 4.0 will remain the no1 forum script though the debate is now allowing people to express their concerns whther it's speculating/ factual or otherwise because whether people like it or not the last update by ray morgan didn't really specify a great deal and I'm guessing that the latest updated as just increased their concerns.

The thread is becoming quite repetitive and this only happens when certain people don't agree with the subject matter which isn't speculation.



I've quote rays last update. Highlighted in red is the last area before releasing for alpha test (information that some people will find usefull) it merley says it's nearly done.

Highlighted in green is an important question customers want to know but the response given is not answered.

Highlighted in orange is information that people know already, we know what alpha testing involves. You don't have to be a genius.

If that makes people comfortable, fine then that is well within anyones right, if your an already concerned customer, I have no doubt they have just got more concerned by the lack of information.

Hmmm - I think actually I am more like you Shelley - I can't be bothered to give a damn actually hahaha - well - unless the damn has a red wig - then I could flirt and bring the damn right on over to my side :P

Seriously though - My last post cleared it up for me I hope - I'm not saying that people shouldn't be concerned - I only mean to say that I am not too much concerned - I think Ray's post was a nice one - He basically said that things are not completely clear - so there's not any more information to add. He says that when things are clear - he'll pass on the information to the vB customer base.

I think there's a lot of cynicism in this thread: speculation & cynicism which is doing nothing but making everyone's blood pressure rise ==> I suppose it's a good thing I am already taking blood pressure medicine....

Anyway - I like to think that I am the most pessimistic optimist that has ever lived. When vBulletin is concerned - I like to think that I as an adorer of the software will not be disappointed when the 4.0 series is made golden! I like to think that I will be able to look at some of the cynics and say "See - I told ya - nothing to worry about - the version is good and all the worry was over nothing, now come and give Ms Jacquii a big fat kiss."

Don't ask me why (cause I don't know) --- but I have high hopes that what Floris said about vBulletin being the best online interactive forum application available will continue to be the gospel rather than a lie. I've invested a lot of time myself with vBulletin - so it is in my best interest to be optimistic about this thing. Otherwise I'd be a fool, a sore looser & an idiot with a very tasty cherry wheat beer in hand

Jacquii.