More staff leave vB....

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Shelley_c

UK - I read what ray posted i said I never posted, not that I never look/read threads. There was nothing definite in that post. I even quoted most of it, so, how could I have ignored it? Again, your really reading into things you that you want to read into.

He did not give any dates, not even any in depth info (about 15 lines) come on. Your now insulting my intelligence. Even chimpie got what I said, and what I'm saying.

OK

[Logikos]

Originally Posted by UKBusinessLive

Why would you want to leave VBulletin ?? Just because 4 blokes left ???

If you didn't just glace over posts and actually read some of them, you wouldn't be asking that question. Shelley is correct, it is all doom and gloom for you right now and your not providing anything constructive to this thread. Instead, you post a photo that borders sexual content that just distracts the conversation, it has no place here.

People have posted their concerns at vb.com and they were either banned or they would close the threads to prevent further discussion. vBulletin sent me a clear signal when they closed the announcement discussions forum, they don't want to hear what we have to say.

Originally Posted by Chimpie

If I had that much money invested in a product that I use as a source of income, and four of the top developers left the company, you better believe my butt would be on a plane flying out there to meet with their reps to figure out what is going on.

No, you wouldn't.

[Chimpie]

Originally Posted by Chimpie

If I had that much money invested in a product that I use as a source of income, and four of the top developers left the company, you better believe my butt would be on a plane flying out there to meet with their reps to figure out what is going on.

Originally Posted by Ken Iovino

No, you wouldn't.

Well, considering I flew to Houston to visit the HostGator's offices (my host), met with their front end staff, visited a training class, met with their office staff, met with their management, and I'm not spending anything close to $10k, yeah I would.

[HMBeaty]

By way of dev update, there are two major tasks remaining before we release the vB Forums for alpha testing:

* Finish porting the new vB4 style into templates. In terms of developer-hours, this is the largest single task of the project, and because of the natural flow of development, it happens to come at the very end.

* Pre-alpha regression testing. The alpha release is the earliest point at which a build is usable without major problems, so this round of testing is to make sure that the release doesn't just fall over as soon as it's installed.

Alpha will proceed in two phases: Forums first, then the full Suite. Beta will probably also be phased, but we are leaving ourselves the option of starting beta for Forums and Suite at the same time if it makes sense to do so.

Also, thanks to the hundreds of you who have applied to participate in beta testing, and especially for following the application instructions so closely. (For those who have tried email, voice mail, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, carrier pigeons and smoke signals, you get props for creativity, but please help me out and see my previous post.)

In answer to a few FAQs:

When will pricing and licensing be announced?

When all of the details are worked out. (I know it seems like it should be easy, but trust me on this, it's harder than it looks.) This will be near the time of the gold release.

When will that be?

As soon as possible, but my best estimate at the moment is August, hopefully early in the month. Yes, we were hoping to be able to release before the end of Q2, but while everyone has been working hard and fast, we're committed to take the time necessary to get it right before releasing. We know you expect nothing less. :-)

Hurry up! Move Faster! No, wait, take your time! Make it better!

There are currently more people working on vBulletin that at any time in the product's history, and the pace is intense. We are moving as fast as a software project of this size can move.

In parallel with the template porting describe above, we have decided to also take some extra time to beef up some aspects of the CMS, which we feel is a wise investment of time.

More to come as events unfold...

Just an update for those of you who haven't seen it elsewhere

[Brandon Sheley]

Originally Posted by Redlinemotorsports

Just an update for those of you who haven't seen it elsewhere

I saw it, still looking forward to 4.0 :up:

[HMBeaty]

I am too At least now we have a better timeframe of when to expect what though

[Logikos]

Originally Posted by Chimpie

Well, considering I flew to Houston to visit the HostGator's offices (my host), met with their front end staff, visited a training class, met with their office staff, met with their management, and I'm not spending anything close to $10k, yeah I would.

On rare occasions does it make sense. In this case, it's not financially sound to fly across the country because a company had been bought up and lost some employees. People will either continue using what they have, or move to a competitor.

[JacquiiDesigns]

Originally Posted by Redlinemotorsports

Just an update for those of you who haven't seen it elsewhere

I thought that announcement was well-written and honestly.... I'm more excited now about the 4.0 series than I was before. That announcement alleviated any concern that I had about the 4.0 series being an awesome product. I have confidence that most everyone will love the 4.0 series -- Others won't, but then of course those will be the ones who can never be pleased by anything (read: has an evergreen frown on their face which stays on summer, autumn, winter & spring)

Jacquii.

[UKBusinessLive]

Originally Posted by Ken Iovino

People have posted their concerns at vb.com and they were either banned or they would close the threads to prevent further discussion. vBulletin sent me a clear signal when they closed the announcement discussions forum, they don't want to hear what we have to say.

Because Ken a lot of posts were either Flaming, Speculative or pure assumption, Like a lot of posts on this thread. Forums have rules and as admins yourselves i'm sure you'd understand. I'm fully aware that people are concerned, but being ex army i'm also fully aware that asummptions and speculations can be dangerous, so thats why i cut the chase and go by facts alone. Which is what i've been trying to explain.

You've seen the message now written by Ray stating that Vbulletin has had more guys working on the software than at any time in its history, to me that don't sound like a company going down the pan?

You need to have a little bit of faith here, which is what i've been saying all along, so i'm glad that Ray managed to shead some light and give us a clearer picture of the situation.

Like the last few posts, i'm also looking forward to vB4, and i'll post here also if i hear any updates from the VBulletin Site

[Shelley_c]

Nobody was flaming in this thread UK. Again that is pure nonsense, people will voice their concerns and whether it conflicts with your way of thinking you need to get used to it. Yes, speculation, but isn't that allowed? Are they not allow to worry what the future holds because it doesn't comply to your way of thinking and going on faith (as you have stated on numerous occasions).

Had you not tried to persuade & waver peoples opinions/concerns with some ridiculous comments, the thread would have been a lot less heated. Anyway, as you know, the conflicts of interest is a big concern for some people and all they have is their concerns and whether or not it comes to the worst then it'll be too late.

Me personally, I think vbulletin is still the best forum script, I tried the latest rivalling forum software yesterday and although in many areas it's wonderful the customers (majority of them) will find it easier with vbulletin especially in the styling department.

And what the developers have conveyed across styling is supposed to be easier with vbulletin (if it can be any easier).